1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:17,150 [Music] 2 00:00:25,439 --> 00:00:20,609 welcome to shattered reality with their 3 00:00:28,499 --> 00:00:25,449 hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to 4 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:28,509 had a paradigm shifted into truth 5 00:00:41,180 --> 00:00:34,470 questioned and now shattered reality 6 00:00:46,619 --> 00:00:41,190 hello listeners today is September 25th 7 00:00:47,849 --> 00:00:46,629 2018 and most unfortunately for the 8 00:00:52,650 --> 00:00:47,859 second week in a row 9 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:52,660 Kate Valentine is unable to join us but 10 00:00:58,319 --> 00:00:55,690 she hopes to spoke to her and she hopes 11 00:01:01,799 --> 00:00:58,329 to be back with us soon she is planning 12 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:01,809 on returning as soon as physically 13 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:05,050 possible for her to do so 14 00:01:10,410 --> 00:01:08,260 I just drove here through a passel of 15 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:10,420 rain I mean some of the worst rain that 16 00:01:17,340 --> 00:01:14,080 I ever saw and I was brought to mind the 17 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:17,350 old Murray the K the old Murray the K 18 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:21,070 intro welcome to all you submarine 19 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:25,300 watches out there and anybody who's over 20 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:28,390 40 probably remembers the marvelous disc 21 00:01:35,820 --> 00:01:32,560 jockey Murray the K well now today on 22 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:35,830 shattered reality podcast in spite of 23 00:01:42,510 --> 00:01:40,000 the incredible rain outside here on the 24 00:01:46,350 --> 00:01:42,520 East Coast that almost swept my car away 25 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:46,360 I have for you a really interesting 26 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:50,620 guest he is someone whose career I have 27 00:01:56,340 --> 00:01:53,470 been following fairly closely for the 28 00:01:59,220 --> 00:01:56,350 past 15 years he's hard-working 29 00:02:03,510 --> 00:01:59,230 he's resolute and he's extremely 30 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:03,520 dedicated he's a Canadian citizen from 31 00:02:08,999 --> 00:02:06,370 Manitoba you may already have a clue as 32 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:09,009 to who he is I actually have met him 33 00:02:13,740 --> 00:02:11,500 twice though he may not remember the 34 00:02:17,089 --> 00:02:13,750 time that's most memorable to me was at 35 00:02:21,179 --> 00:02:17,099 Pat market illios Cherry Hill New Jersey 36 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:21,189 UFO twice a year comfort 37 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:22,950 we had a really nice conversation 38 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:26,560 together he and I enriched stolen it was 39 00:02:33,509 --> 00:02:29,560 all about exoplanets because I had with 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:33,519 me a brand spanking new iPad with an 41 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:35,890 interesting app about all the newly 42 00:02:44,009 --> 00:02:40,510 discovered exoplanets well our guest is 43 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:44,019 grant Cameron he began his interest in 44 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:48,970 UFOs in 1975 with his observation of a 45 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:53,220 recurrent UFO called Charlie Red Star 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:02:57,040 which was seen in and around Carmen 47 00:03:04,289 --> 00:03:00,370 Manitoba which is a town just over the 48 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:04,299 border from the United States after he 49 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:07,870 saw this sighting of Charlie red star a 50 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:10,450 more than once he was kind of bitten by 51 00:03:16,679 --> 00:03:14,049 the UFO bug he researched the work of 52 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:16,689 the late will Burt Smith who headed the 53 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:20,370 Canadian UFO study called project magnet 54 00:03:26,909 --> 00:03:23,769 after that he was led to research dr. 55 00:03:30,089 --> 00:03:26,919 Eric Walker and dr. Roberts are Baca who 56 00:03:33,899 --> 00:03:30,099 he believed were the American keepers of 57 00:03:37,409 --> 00:03:33,909 the UFO secret following this he founded 58 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:37,419 the website presidential UFO calm he 59 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:39,970 filed Freedom of Information requests 60 00:03:45,629 --> 00:03:43,120 otherwise known as FOIA requests he 61 00:03:49,379 --> 00:03:45,639 researched across America at local 62 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:49,389 libraries of past the official libraries 63 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:52,030 of past presidents finding particular 64 00:03:59,099 --> 00:03:55,930 interest in connections between the 65 00:04:03,420 --> 00:03:59,109 Clintons and the Laurance Rockefeller 66 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:03,430 UFO initiative now most recently he had 67 00:04:08,369 --> 00:04:05,590 what he called a download from a 68 00:04:10,490 --> 00:04:08,379 nonhuman source about the connectedness 69 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:10,500 of everything the non physical 70 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:13,870 manifestation of UFOs and the primacy of 71 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:16,570 consciousness I'd probably call this an 72 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:18,820 enlightenment or a Kundalini awakening 73 00:04:25,649 --> 00:04:21,430 but for sure he and I are on the same 74 00:04:28,110 --> 00:04:25,659 page about that so now listeners up I 75 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:28,120 would I hope that you're all listening 76 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:30,610 very carefully because I would like to 77 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:37,089 good afternoon thanks for having me on I 78 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:40,310 appreciate your interest well it's it's 79 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:43,849 sincere I I must ask you just just out 80 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:47,090 of my own ego if you remember talking to 81 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:49,370 me down by Pat Market illios I know you 82 00:04:54,550 --> 00:04:51,889 meet thousands of people yeah yeah I 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:04:54,560 remember conversation yeah well that 84 00:05:04,390 --> 00:05:00,530 makes me feel a little bit so you know 85 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:04,400 as I had said prior to us coming on the 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:08,449 show here that I loved your story of 87 00:05:12,820 --> 00:05:11,210 Charlie red star it's a true story and 88 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:12,830 and how people didn't really pay 89 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:15,409 attention outside of the siting area and 90 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:19,300 how it how it began your career but 91 00:05:25,029 --> 00:05:22,310 because we may have a limited time I 92 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:25,039 would like to start out from the end 93 00:05:34,029 --> 00:05:29,270 rather than the beginning and talk with 94 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:34,039 you more about what's going on now we 95 00:05:39,059 --> 00:05:36,529 could talk about that mystery that you 96 00:05:42,219 --> 00:05:39,069 seem to be knee-deep in right now 97 00:05:45,309 --> 00:05:42,229 surrounding the to the stars Academy a 98 00:05:49,050 --> 00:05:45,319 tip Bob Bigelow the skinwalker ranch all 99 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:49,060 that stuff and please feel free to 100 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:52,430 mention your books because I know you've 101 00:05:58,180 --> 00:05:55,250 written a number of them and feel free 102 00:06:00,579 --> 00:05:58,190 to you know sneak him in there during 103 00:06:05,170 --> 00:06:00,589 the show or to list them all it's fine 104 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:05,180 by me yeah okay you're talking about to 105 00:06:11,579 --> 00:06:07,849 the stars Academy I have followed this I 106 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:11,589 sort of knew about it before I was 107 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:14,449 written the book called managing magic 108 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:16,310 where I had talked about Tom DeLonge and 109 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:17,930 what he was doing and this is before he 110 00:06:22,119 --> 00:06:20,210 went public with the big news conference 111 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:22,129 which sort of changed everything last 112 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:23,810 October and then in December they 113 00:06:28,749 --> 00:06:27,110 dropped the videos and stuff and I will 114 00:06:32,980 --> 00:06:28,759 have a second book coming out which sort 115 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:32,990 of updates what has happened since my 116 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:36,370 first book called beyond managing magic 117 00:06:40,059 --> 00:06:38,810 but the only thing I'm really falling on 118 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:40,069 that right now they're doing a fairly 119 00:06:44,769 --> 00:06:42,889 good job in terms of getting the message 120 00:06:46,690 --> 00:06:44,779 out and what I think they're trying to 121 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:46,700 do from my opinion 122 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:49,640 is they have I I made the joke I said 123 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:51,650 they fired UFO community don't care 124 00:06:56,050 --> 00:06:54,260 about us or what we think because in a 125 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:56,060 lot of ways we're just sort of in the 126 00:06:59,650 --> 00:06:57,890 way we ask all sorts of stupid questions 127 00:07:02,800 --> 00:06:59,660 and stuff I think what they've done with 128 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:02,810 this initiative with the New York Times 129 00:07:05,470 --> 00:07:04,100 that I always point out it wasn't just 130 00:07:07,870 --> 00:07:05,480 New York Times it was New York Times 131 00:07:09,490 --> 00:07:07,880 Washington Post and political all went 132 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:09,500 the same day and this is a story that 133 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:11,630 took all these news agencies a couple 134 00:07:16,540 --> 00:07:14,240 months to do which means this was not an 135 00:07:17,410 --> 00:07:16,550 accidental disclosure and what I think 136 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:17,420 they're trying to do is they're trying 137 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:20,870 to shift the attitude of the American 138 00:07:25,930 --> 00:07:23,570 people because if it happens in New York 139 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:25,940 Times then you can believe it it's like 140 00:07:29,620 --> 00:07:28,100 if you and I say it they just have you 141 00:07:31,690 --> 00:07:29,630 can see people's eyes rolling back and 142 00:07:33,130 --> 00:07:31,700 they just sort of walk away but if the 143 00:07:34,810 --> 00:07:33,140 New York Times puts it out and I think 144 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:34,820 that's what they're doing and they're 145 00:07:41,470 --> 00:07:38,660 now working on this whole thing their 146 00:07:45,010 --> 00:07:41,480 latest program is the atom program which 147 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:45,020 is looking at different pieces of metals 148 00:07:51,330 --> 00:07:46,610 and I guess you're familiar with that 149 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:51,340 yes yes I have got a fair background in 150 00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:55,160 UFO hardware because when I had my first 151 00:07:58,090 --> 00:07:56,840 sightings with the Charlie Red Star 152 00:08:00,490 --> 00:07:58,100 thing I tried to get the book published 153 00:08:02,470 --> 00:08:00,500 in the 1970s and the local publisher 154 00:08:04,210 --> 00:08:02,480 said Mr Cameron may be leaving this kind 155 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:04,220 of stuff company among the unbelievers 156 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:06,290 and at that point I said okay that's it 157 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:07,610 for UFO sightings I'm never doing 158 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:09,650 another UFO sighting in my life total 159 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:11,750 waste of time and I went to try to find 160 00:08:15,310 --> 00:08:13,850 out who had somebody must know what I 161 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:15,320 had seen somebody must have understood 162 00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:17,690 had the answer to what I saw the night 163 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:20,030 in 1975 and I chased the Canadian 164 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:22,820 government through a synchronistic event 165 00:08:26,830 --> 00:08:25,490 that a guy my father was a pilot for the 166 00:08:28,210 --> 00:08:26,840 Canadian government and there was a 167 00:08:29,830 --> 00:08:28,220 radar tech who worked in his office 168 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:29,840 who'd had a sighting and my father 169 00:08:33,070 --> 00:08:31,730 wanted he said Oh Ernie app wants to 170 00:08:35,020 --> 00:08:33,080 talk to you and I went talk to this guy 171 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:35,030 and it was just an ordinary sighting and 172 00:08:38,469 --> 00:08:36,700 then you get these bizarre 173 00:08:40,750 --> 00:08:38,479 synchronicities that happen in ufology 174 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:40,760 he said you know if you really want to 175 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:42,770 know what's going on with UFOs you 176 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:43,550 should study what the Canadian 177 00:08:47,770 --> 00:08:45,890 government did in the 1950s and I went 178 00:08:49,810 --> 00:08:47,780 really he said yeah I used to work on 179 00:08:51,550 --> 00:08:49,820 the program no way yeah did and it was 180 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:51,560 like the chances you know because I'm 181 00:08:54,970 --> 00:08:53,570 1,500 miles away from the capital where 182 00:08:57,340 --> 00:08:54,980 this whole thing took place it always 183 00:09:00,120 --> 00:08:57,350 run out of Ottawa Canada which is the 184 00:09:01,860 --> 00:09:00,130 nation's capital and so then I 185 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:01,870 you were working on it he said yeah it 186 00:09:08,190 --> 00:09:04,690 was a rate I was an engineer and the 187 00:09:10,380 --> 00:09:08,200 Canadians had opened up a a Flying 188 00:09:12,030 --> 00:09:10,390 Saucer Observatory where they had five 189 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:12,040 different instruments and this guy would 190 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:14,410 change the paper and he's these sort of 191 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:15,910 instruments where they were recording 192 00:09:21,570 --> 00:09:19,360 change in gravity changing noise all 193 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:21,580 these different things they're trying to 194 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:24,790 detect a v' a flying saucer then they 195 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:26,020 called him flying saucers of flying 196 00:09:30,330 --> 00:09:28,240 discs Wilbur Smith almost never used the 197 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:30,340 word UFO but and Wilbur Smith was the 198 00:09:33,930 --> 00:09:32,080 Canadian government engineer who ran the 199 00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:33,940 whole program was in contact with the 200 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:36,700 Americans and so this guy changed the 201 00:09:40,770 --> 00:09:38,530 tapes and he would tell me about the the 202 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:40,780 the attempts to contact this alien by 203 00:09:45,870 --> 00:09:43,060 name of alpha that they had made contact 204 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:45,880 with and during this investigation I 205 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:48,970 recorded basically as much as I could I 206 00:09:53,460 --> 00:09:51,490 talked to this guy his wife in the 70s I 207 00:09:55,410 --> 00:09:53,470 flew there to talk to the Cooper Smith 208 00:09:57,630 --> 00:09:55,420 had died to talk to his wife it was at 209 00:09:59,130 --> 00:09:57,640 that point I suddenly got the story from 210 00:10:01,170 --> 00:09:59,140 a number of the insiders so what 211 00:10:04,170 --> 00:10:01,180 happened was they actually picked up an 212 00:10:06,510 --> 00:10:04,180 object August the 8th 1954 coming over 213 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:06,520 this station and according to Ernie up 214 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:08,830 the the needles went right off the paper 215 00:10:14,460 --> 00:10:11,110 it was just like a major whatever it was 216 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:14,470 was a major object and from FBI 217 00:10:19,770 --> 00:10:17,950 documents and Air Force documents we 218 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:19,780 know that the Canadian has actually 219 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:21,210 predicted this would happen there was a 220 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:25,210 woman who was channeling out of just 221 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:26,890 down the street from Betty Hill in 222 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:29,890 Elliott Maine Wow who was in contact and 223 00:10:31,950 --> 00:10:31,360 she'd actually predicted this would 224 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:31,960 happen 225 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:33,640 I think August the 1st and it actually 226 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:35,170 happened August the 8th that they would 227 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:37,360 do this flyby of the station so that's a 228 00:10:40,830 --> 00:10:39,370 make a long story short they get this 229 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:40,840 thing and the government two days later 230 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:43,150 shuts the program down says we didn't 231 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:44,740 discover anything there's nothing of 232 00:10:48,930 --> 00:10:47,650 significance here Wilbur Smith is no 233 00:10:50,130 --> 00:10:48,940 longer allowed to make statements on 234 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:50,140 behalf of the Canadian government and 235 00:10:55,890 --> 00:10:52,720 they shut this program down so this is 236 00:10:59,340 --> 00:10:55,900 1954 and Wilbur dies in 62 some from 54 237 00:11:01,620 --> 00:10:59,350 to 60 - he gets a group of people and 238 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:01,630 they're working on a gravity control 239 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:05,770 program they're working on a detector 240 00:11:09,829 --> 00:11:07,780 Wilbur Smith stated that they were very 241 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:09,839 concerned about the our nuclear weapons 242 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:12,880 testing and that when we detonate a 243 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:13,900 nuclear 244 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:15,880 there's a wave that goes down through 245 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:17,560 the earth that goes up into the air but 246 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:19,150 it also goes down through the earth and 247 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:21,730 you get these areas of reduced bindings 248 00:11:24,690 --> 00:11:23,260 so they have that he was very concerned 249 00:11:26,970 --> 00:11:24,700 about these areas of reduced by and he 250 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:26,980 built a detector for this he'd built a 251 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:29,410 radio communication device but the 252 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:30,730 important thing when it comes to the to 253 00:11:34,890 --> 00:11:33,130 the stars thing was that Wilbur Smith 254 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:34,900 was very high level on the Kenyan 255 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:36,640 government he was he was the senior 256 00:11:40,110 --> 00:11:37,930 radio engineer for the Department of 257 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:40,120 Transport but when I talked to a 258 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:41,650 metallurgist would work for them he had 259 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:43,780 a secret group of people then would work 260 00:11:48,630 --> 00:11:47,530 and they had no official position these 261 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:48,640 were guys there was a guy from the 262 00:11:52,650 --> 00:11:50,290 Defense Research Board who was the guy 263 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:52,660 dude the metal analysis they had a guy 264 00:11:56,010 --> 00:11:54,790 from the Air Force from the Navy all 265 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:56,020 these different people who are working 266 00:11:59,280 --> 00:11:57,160 on these different programs different 267 00:12:05,040 --> 00:11:59,290 projects that are working on sort of 268 00:12:07,740 --> 00:12:05,050 secretly on their own time and what 269 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:07,750 became known was the fact that Wilbur 270 00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:11,380 Smith was handling material crashed 271 00:12:15,810 --> 00:12:12,820 saucer material from the United States 272 00:12:18,330 --> 00:12:15,820 and when I talked to the metallurgist he 273 00:12:19,950 --> 00:12:18,340 said to me he said he said well doctor 274 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:19,960 knew who what Wilbur did and I said why 275 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:21,490 I was the senior radio engineer and he 276 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:23,860 said no you do you know what he did and 277 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:26,200 I said no and I really said he ran to 278 00:12:30,090 --> 00:12:28,240 Radio Ottawa and I said well what's 279 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:30,100 Radio Ottawa and it's basically like the 280 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:31,810 NSA of Canada it's basically they were 281 00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:33,730 sitting there because he was a senior 282 00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:36,160 radio engineer they had all these sort 283 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:37,360 of big antenna setup and they were 284 00:12:41,130 --> 00:12:38,980 trying to intercept Russian 285 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:41,140 communications and they were like I like 286 00:12:44,340 --> 00:12:43,510 like a spy thing and so he said he had 287 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:44,350 this very high security clearance 288 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:46,210 because he was running radio radio 289 00:12:51,660 --> 00:12:49,030 Ottawa and when he was in the United 290 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:51,670 States he was negotiating when FM radio 291 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:54,610 stations came in in the 50s he was 292 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:56,170 negotiating with the Americans so he was 293 00:12:59,520 --> 00:12:57,610 dealing with very high-level American 294 00:13:00,300 --> 00:12:59,530 people with with basically officials 295 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:00,310 they were going through the Canadian 296 00:13:03,630 --> 00:13:02,140 embassy and I recovered all these 297 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:03,640 documents I recover all Wilbur Smith 298 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:06,670 documents I got all the material that 299 00:13:09,930 --> 00:13:08,050 had been written newspaper articles 300 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:09,940 stuff and it's in the thousands of pages 301 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:12,070 of material and in that material we 302 00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:13,480 actually recovered the actual 303 00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:16,120 correspondence through the KN embassy 304 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:18,070 going to what was known as the research 305 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:19,870 and development board right now it would 306 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:22,930 be known sort of as DARPA or as the 307 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:25,810 assistant and engineering for weapons or 308 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:27,250 you know this this sort of thing where 309 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:27,610 they 310 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:32,170 it was headed up at times by dr. 311 00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:34,420 Vannevar Bush who if you go back to the 312 00:13:37,949 --> 00:13:36,399 mj-12 document he was rumored to be the 313 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:37,959 guy who was running the UFO program for 314 00:13:41,790 --> 00:13:40,390 the Americans so anyway what was 315 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:41,800 happening was he had these 316 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:44,380 communications and they were sending 317 00:13:50,430 --> 00:13:47,140 material to Canada all these different 318 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:50,440 pieces of material and Wilbur had stated 319 00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:52,690 that in the Pentagon this is in the 320 00:13:57,690 --> 00:13:55,390 early 1950s they actually had a little 321 00:14:00,060 --> 00:13:57,700 Museum one of the offices they had 322 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:00,070 various pieces of hardware in sight and 323 00:14:02,730 --> 00:14:01,510 then I guess they moved all the stuff to 324 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:02,740 wright-patterson then they moved it to 325 00:14:07,259 --> 00:14:05,410 area 51 or however it all worked out so 326 00:14:09,630 --> 00:14:07,269 they've collected a lot of this material 327 00:14:12,060 --> 00:14:09,640 and we even have his son James Smith who 328 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:12,070 is the oldest son who is about I guess 329 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:15,730 17 when his father died who is on record 330 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:17,920 on tape saying yes I remember these 331 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:19,450 packages coming there was there was lots 332 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:21,250 of material coming from the United 333 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:24,220 States and they would recover pieces and 334 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:26,470 so that's what I was sort of working on 335 00:14:30,210 --> 00:14:27,730 not with to the stars 336 00:14:31,889 --> 00:14:30,220 is there so much crashed awesome tale 337 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:31,899 but people cannot believe how many 338 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:34,089 pieces there are of this material that 339 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:36,220 are around in different people's hands 340 00:14:41,009 --> 00:14:38,140 and even I think in the latest video 341 00:14:43,829 --> 00:14:41,019 that that to the stars put out they have 342 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:43,839 Lou Elizondo and he'll put off yes and 343 00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:47,649 and Tom DeLonge and they're running 344 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:49,360 around with these little boxes and they 345 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:50,500 pick up these little pieces of material 346 00:14:54,329 --> 00:14:52,089 from people and they're saying to get 347 00:14:55,410 --> 00:14:54,339 work great cooperation and there's lots 348 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:55,420 of people who have these pieces of 349 00:14:58,319 --> 00:14:56,890 hardware that they have collected and 350 00:14:58,949 --> 00:14:58,329 they're sending them in to get them 351 00:15:00,420 --> 00:14:58,959 analyzed 352 00:15:03,630 --> 00:15:00,430 I just want to interrupt you for one 353 00:15:06,090 --> 00:15:03,640 second because earlier on you mentioned 354 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:06,100 the atom program now you know what it is 355 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:08,110 and I know what it is but I'm not sure 356 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:10,750 all our listeners do and it has directly 357 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:12,339 to do with what you're talking about 358 00:15:18,930 --> 00:15:15,850 right now so could you just sort of you 359 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:18,940 know tie that knot there okay yeah well 360 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:21,190 the to the stars they're working on the 361 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:23,110 they're working on the videos and they 362 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:25,060 that was somehow Declassified by the 363 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:26,170 government whatever they mean by the 364 00:15:32,009 --> 00:15:27,910 government is moving this stuff out and 365 00:15:34,889 --> 00:15:32,019 then they had some pieces of hardware 366 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:34,899 that Lou Elizondo who ran the ATF 367 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:36,480 program started to hint that they had 368 00:15:41,439 --> 00:15:40,390 this piece of hardware that had great 369 00:15:44,739 --> 00:15:41,449 implications for 370 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:44,749 or how UFOs were the propulsion system 371 00:15:50,379 --> 00:15:46,929 is working like at the in his big nimitz 372 00:15:53,999 --> 00:15:50,389 encounter that took place in 2004 so 373 00:15:57,069 --> 00:15:54,009 what they did is a program is through 374 00:15:59,289 --> 00:15:57,079 help put off who's a guy who's got 375 00:16:01,269 --> 00:15:59,299 expertise to analyze this type of 376 00:16:04,449 --> 00:16:01,279 material they put out sort of an alert 377 00:16:06,609 --> 00:16:04,459 to people if you've got any UFO hardware 378 00:16:08,049 --> 00:16:06,619 that you've got we can analyze it so 379 00:16:10,749 --> 00:16:08,059 what they do is they put a big insurance 380 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:10,759 program on the piece of material so that 381 00:16:13,689 --> 00:16:12,169 if it disappears the person will get a 382 00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:13,699 million dollars or whatever the figure 383 00:16:18,129 --> 00:16:16,160 is I don't know to encourage people to 384 00:16:21,309 --> 00:16:18,139 hand over the material and they can do 385 00:16:24,119 --> 00:16:21,319 this material and analyze this material 386 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:24,129 and they believe that it will lead to 387 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:26,089 discovering what the propulsion system 388 00:16:30,849 --> 00:16:28,970 is I maintain that it's not gonna it may 389 00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,859 do that but I I insist that all it's 390 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:32,480 going to do is the same as UFO sightings 391 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:34,730 UFO sightings you can collect them until 392 00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:36,649 the cows come home and all it's going to 393 00:16:40,599 --> 00:16:39,199 do in the end is prove yeah there's 394 00:16:43,599 --> 00:16:40,609 probably somebody coming from someplace 395 00:16:45,789 --> 00:16:43,609 else and these UFO videos and people's 396 00:16:47,439 --> 00:16:45,799 reports yeah it indicates something 397 00:16:48,970 --> 00:16:47,449 flying around in the sky and it's not 398 00:16:50,189 --> 00:16:48,980 ours but it does not tell you anything 399 00:16:52,509 --> 00:16:50,199 it doesn't tell you where they're from 400 00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:52,519 what they're doing here they're not 401 00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:54,230 sound so the same with the metal if you 402 00:16:58,989 --> 00:16:55,759 get the if there's one of the main 403 00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:58,999 pieces that Linda Howe got through art 404 00:17:04,569 --> 00:17:01,519 Bell who used to run the coast-to-coast 405 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:04,579 show in 1996 and this is this layered 406 00:17:10,299 --> 00:17:08,720 piece of bismuth magnesium and so this 407 00:17:13,179 --> 00:17:10,309 is a piece that's layered very very thin 408 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:13,189 we can't produce this even today and 409 00:17:16,539 --> 00:17:15,110 this is one of the pieces that they were 410 00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,549 sort of floating around that they had 411 00:17:19,929 --> 00:17:18,559 this great implications but I maintain 412 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:19,939 that it's gonna be the same thing you're 413 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:22,250 going to say yeah this this piece of 414 00:17:26,110 --> 00:17:24,500 material is very very strange it we 415 00:17:27,939 --> 00:17:26,120 didn't make this material and it's 416 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:27,949 probably from someplace else but again 417 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,049 all it does is it's a dead end it just 418 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:32,000 says to you yes there's something going 419 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:34,190 on we didn't we didn't make this 420 00:17:37,810 --> 00:17:35,750 material there's probably were probably 421 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:37,820 being visited from somewhere and that's 422 00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:39,289 why I always go to the fact that I spent 423 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:41,000 most of my time now with experiences 424 00:17:46,299 --> 00:17:43,190 because we have if you're familiar with 425 00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:46,309 the Edgar Mitchell absolutely free 426 00:17:50,649 --> 00:17:48,980 foundation yes we've had great Hernandez 427 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:50,659 on and we've had a few of the other 428 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:53,570 people on yeah so people will say well 429 00:17:56,980 --> 00:17:55,250 it's just anecdotal stories away 430 00:18:00,640 --> 00:17:56,990 but it's better than metal and it's 431 00:18:02,110 --> 00:18:00,650 better than UFO sighting reports in fact 432 00:18:03,610 --> 00:18:02,120 it's the same thing because you can you 433 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:03,620 can have sightings and it's all 434 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:05,270 anecdotal stuff as well you know you saw 435 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:11,690 a sighting and you say sometimes being 436 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:14,270 an experience or myself I would still 437 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:17,090 say people sometimes enhance their 438 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:19,910 experiences a little bit so I say that 439 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:21,620 you take the 4,000 people and I don't 440 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:23,750 care give a lie-detector tests do 441 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:26,150 whatever you got to do to verify their 442 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:27,650 story to see who's telling the truth 443 00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:28,610 who's not telling the truth 444 00:18:31,450 --> 00:18:30,020 but don't ignore these people these are 445 00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,460 people that have the answer these are 446 00:18:34,570 --> 00:18:33,200 the people who are interacting with the 447 00:18:36,010 --> 00:18:34,580 intelligence behind the phenomena and 448 00:18:38,530 --> 00:18:36,020 they unlike the government won't tell 449 00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:38,540 you what's going on but these 450 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:39,860 experiences will tell you exactly what 451 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:41,810 their experiences and if you know 452 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:43,130 because you you're probably familiar 453 00:18:51,820 --> 00:18:46,790 with the free once you start looking at 454 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:51,830 the data yes very very direct numbers 455 00:18:55,150 --> 00:18:53,210 that are just staggering like you know 456 00:18:56,770 --> 00:18:55,160 50% of all people claim that they have 457 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:56,780 been healed they or someone in their 458 00:19:01,360 --> 00:18:59,360 family has been healed 40% claim they're 459 00:19:02,830 --> 00:19:01,370 able to heal people 42 percent claim 460 00:19:04,420 --> 00:19:02,840 that they have got mathematical 461 00:19:05,890 --> 00:19:04,430 scientific or technical material in 462 00:19:07,870 --> 00:19:05,900 their head that they did not learn in 463 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:07,880 school 40 percent say at some point 464 00:19:10,570 --> 00:19:09,050 during their experience they knew the 465 00:19:12,730 --> 00:19:10,580 answer to everything in the universe and 466 00:19:14,740 --> 00:19:12,740 these are big numbers 37% claim they've 467 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:14,750 had a near-death experience and you look 468 00:19:17,530 --> 00:19:16,490 at these numbers and you say this is 469 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:17,540 where the answers are gonna be you've 470 00:19:21,310 --> 00:19:19,490 got to do this sort of thing or how many 471 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:21,320 have paranormal experiences how many can 472 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:23,510 Channel there's all these bizarre things 473 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:26,000 and that's where I think it goes I I 474 00:19:30,970 --> 00:19:28,370 largely agree with you very largely 475 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:30,980 agree with you because as I said I am an 476 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:33,170 experienced or myself and we've had like 477 00:19:37,930 --> 00:19:35,930 five people on at least from free over 478 00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:37,940 the course of the last several years I 479 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:41,600 would say one I've got a stick in one or 480 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:43,370 two things there grant first thing about 481 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:46,970 the metals the metals are interesting to 482 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:50,450 me primarily because of the possible 483 00:19:55,630 --> 00:19:53,270 isotopes that are not found on earth and 484 00:19:57,550 --> 00:19:55,640 the only way I could see if you're if 485 00:20:00,280 --> 00:19:57,560 you're thinking nuts and bolts and I'm 486 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:00,290 not I'm not sure that this phenomena is 487 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:03,650 all one thing but and I'm not generally 488 00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:06,290 thinking nuts and bolts but if if you 489 00:20:09,130 --> 00:20:08,630 are thinking nuts and bolts and you find 490 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:09,140 these 491 00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:13,010 isotopes from somewhere else maybe there 492 00:20:19,090 --> 00:20:16,160 is a place that you can identify with us 493 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:19,100 a spectrograph of some sort if this 494 00:20:25,060 --> 00:20:22,490 isotope is present on you know Zeta 495 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:25,070 Reticuli or something and then you might 496 00:20:30,940 --> 00:20:28,640 be able to extrapolate something from 497 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:30,950 that but if it's not nuts and bolts and 498 00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:34,370 most of it probably isn't then certainly 499 00:20:43,539 --> 00:20:38,380 the experience of root is is better yeah 500 00:20:45,490 --> 00:20:43,549 but if you're looking at you know you 501 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,500 know spectrographic analysis of other 502 00:20:49,390 --> 00:20:46,880 planets that that's still gonna be a 503 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:49,400 ways off or pretty far from that so it's 504 00:20:53,049 --> 00:20:51,710 it's a long way and you do have the 505 00:20:55,690 --> 00:20:53,059 thing because Jacques Vallee did the 506 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:55,700 lecture of something that sort of got me 507 00:21:00,580 --> 00:20:58,730 on down another road and he talks about 508 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:00,590 the the isotopes so you have the ones 509 00:21:04,030 --> 00:21:02,360 with the isotopes are completely out of 510 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:04,040 out of the range of anything we have on 511 00:21:09,970 --> 00:21:07,910 earth and he talks about extruded medals 512 00:21:11,710 --> 00:21:09,980 so there's three different types of 513 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:11,720 metals I think that are looking at so 514 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:13,070 you're looking at UFO hardware that's 515 00:21:18,909 --> 00:21:16,250 crash to say Roswell there Del Rio or 516 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:18,919 any of the crap famous crashes that 517 00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:21,140 supposedly happen you got that then 518 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:24,590 you've got these stuff that they did the 519 00:21:30,820 --> 00:21:28,340 analysis on the implants from Roger Leir 520 00:21:32,770 --> 00:21:30,830 because Bob Bigelow put a lot of money 521 00:21:34,570 --> 00:21:32,780 into Roger Leir so they've got the 522 00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:34,580 analysis of all that stuff so that's 523 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:36,260 your second type of metal and then the 524 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:37,940 third type of metal is these extruded 525 00:21:41,770 --> 00:21:39,350 metals and this is the this is the one 526 00:21:43,570 --> 00:21:41,780 that really made me come up with almost 527 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:43,580 with a whole new theory and my theory 528 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:45,110 because I hate acronyms so I hate this 529 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:48,290 atom I don't remember what it represents 530 00:21:52,030 --> 00:21:50,210 is some bizarre bunch of words or 531 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:52,040 whatever so they use this acronym and so 532 00:21:57,610 --> 00:21:54,110 I made my own acronym it's it's tutto 533 00:21:59,260 --> 00:21:57,620 tto w the theory of wow and again it 534 00:22:02,530 --> 00:21:59,270 links into this whole thing about the 535 00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:02,540 the extruded metals so you have a number 536 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:03,799 of these cases and I'm giving a lecture 537 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,030 this weekend in van Kooten in 100-mile 538 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:09,440 house out of Bank outside of Vancouver 539 00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:11,630 Canada and I'm giving it an Irvine 540 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:14,120 California next week and I'm going to go 541 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:16,010 through this whole theory and what I'm 542 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,710 sort of proposing is that when it comes 543 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:20,480 to what the intelligence behind the 544 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,370 phenomena may be doing 545 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:24,320 it's really not doing anything except 546 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:26,750 making us go WOW because it's it's not 547 00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,830 really landing on the White House lawn 548 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:29,120 and telling us what's going on is 549 00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:30,770 dropping these little bread crumbs and 550 00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:33,740 one of the ones is that I don't think 551 00:22:38,590 --> 00:22:36,100 you can to you can define any other way 552 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:38,600 except by this theory is this thing 553 00:22:42,850 --> 00:22:40,850 about extruded metals and there's a lot 554 00:22:45,549 --> 00:22:42,860 of this stuff Jacques Vallee has a 555 00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:45,559 number of them in his his lecture and 556 00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,230 what this is is you have a lot of cases 557 00:22:52,150 --> 00:22:50,240 you'll have like 1947 you have this UFOs 558 00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:52,160 flying along and all of a sudden it 559 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:53,390 looks like it's gonna crash 560 00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:55,010 almost like the the idea with you know a 561 00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:56,480 bird with a broken wing and is trying to 562 00:22:59,530 --> 00:22:57,830 get you away from the nest it gets your 563 00:23:01,000 --> 00:22:59,540 attention is your hose flipping around 564 00:23:02,650 --> 00:23:01,010 and everybody's watching it and all 565 00:23:04,270 --> 00:23:02,660 alike how it's gonna crash and all the 566 00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:04,280 sudden it sort of stabilizes and shoots 567 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:07,670 out this metal and then flies away slack 568 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:10,190 you're talking about thoughts like yeah 569 00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:12,650 and for many years people collected this 570 00:23:16,810 --> 00:23:14,600 material and everything else just slag 571 00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,820 it's just from some refinery the person 572 00:23:22,169 --> 00:23:18,559 is making it up or whatever but now we 573 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:22,179 have the technical abilities and I guess 574 00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:24,440 whether it's helped put off or 575 00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:25,910 somebody's put some money into this so 576 00:23:28,570 --> 00:23:27,380 now they can analyze this kind of stuff 577 00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:28,580 and that's where the atom program is 578 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,790 going is that they have the 579 00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:32,960 sophistication to actually analyze the 580 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:34,670 isotopes and do these stuff that you 581 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:37,610 couldn't do in 1947 and stuff so there's 582 00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:38,660 a number and I'm gonna go through a 583 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:40,520 number of these this weekend in my 584 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:44,809 lecture and we're you know UFO over Ohio 585 00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:46,970 is flying along and they hear this big 586 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:49,220 thud is noise and and they're wondering 587 00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:51,890 what what's going on and they they go 588 00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:53,270 looking around and here's this molten 589 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:54,980 metal and it's shooting this molten 590 00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:56,809 metal so why would a UFO I mean do they 591 00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,280 come across the galaxy to shoot out 592 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:00,080 molten metal is that part of the 593 00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,610 propulsion system they have problems and 594 00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:04,400 shooter or are they doing this just to 595 00:24:07,570 --> 00:24:05,929 make us go wow they're there what 596 00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:07,580 they're dropping like a bread crumb and 597 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:09,620 they've done it so many times for this 598 00:24:13,030 --> 00:24:11,450 striated metal the people pick it up and 599 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:13,040 they go wow and they keep this material 600 00:24:16,450 --> 00:24:14,570 and now we're in this situation where 601 00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,460 we're starting to analyze this this kind 602 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,840 of stuff they even have a very recent 603 00:24:21,549 --> 00:24:19,360 one that happened with an orb 604 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:21,559 description of an orbit I think it's 11 605 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:22,970 feet in the air it's flying across this 606 00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:25,250 driveway and it's dripping metal onto 607 00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,990 the driveway so of course the witness 608 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:28,640 goes and picks up this metal put some 609 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:29,809 little thing and they're gonna analyze 610 00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:32,090 this so to me this is this thing where 611 00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:35,030 where it's like the way I sort of 612 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:36,120 categorize it in my 613 00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:38,490 lecture so I got grade one and it's like 614 00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:40,230 maybe this is what's going on on Zeta 615 00:24:43,670 --> 00:24:42,120 Reticuli they have all these science 616 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:43,680 fair projects and you've got the natives 617 00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:45,750 on Earth and we have to get across the 618 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:46,950 message without going in there and 619 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:48,270 saying we're here to bring you freedom 620 00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:50,310 democracy Jesus and McDonald's we're 621 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:52,230 here to you know tell you what's going 622 00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:54,450 on they do this indirect thing where 623 00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:55,710 they just sort of make you think they 624 00:25:00,920 --> 00:24:58,470 just make you you wonder cuz the number 625 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:00,930 one grade one lesson might be science 626 00:25:04,910 --> 00:25:03,150 fair project so the kids a de reticular 627 00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:04,920 grade one project is we have to get a 628 00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,900 message to the earth your grade one what 629 00:25:10,460 --> 00:25:08,580 you want to do and they say let's put 630 00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,470 lights on crafts and let's fly crafts 631 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:13,440 around because the whole deal is that if 632 00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:14,940 you're flying around we don't have 633 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:16,740 lights on our planes except for 634 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:18,060 navigation lights but we don't have 635 00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:20,820 lights on our plane and and UFOs people 636 00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,230 always used to think when I had my first 637 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:23,760 sighting in 75 there's a random event 638 00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:26,970 and in 1975 if you said I've seen two 639 00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:28,860 UFOs they would totally write you off 640 00:25:31,850 --> 00:25:30,660 nobody sees two of those it's just a 641 00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:31,860 random event you're in the wrong place 642 00:25:35,270 --> 00:25:33,750 at the wrong time the right place at the 643 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:35,280 right time and you saw this UFO flying 644 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:36,810 by to go pick up beer or whatever it's 645 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:38,850 doing and what you start to see is that 646 00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:39,930 when you look at all the different 647 00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:43,800 sightings 1890s it was wooden ships with 648 00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:45,660 propellers flying around then it turned 649 00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,980 into the Foo Fighters which are on the 650 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:48,960 edges of the planes these little balls 651 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:50,370 of light then they go away then the 652 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:52,020 green fireballs come and they're over 653 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:53,850 the nuclear and the military stuff of 654 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:56,250 the late 1940s and then they go away and 655 00:25:59,540 --> 00:25:58,170 then it comes to the Adamski crafts and 656 00:26:01,400 --> 00:25:59,550 then they go away and then you have you 657 00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:01,410 know this one mile wide craft flying 658 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:02,460 over Phoenix Arizona 659 00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:03,810 do they need a craft that's one mile 660 00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:05,460 across and if you start looking at the 661 00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,740 UFO sightings almost all the UFOs are 662 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:08,640 different they've got different lights 663 00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:12,150 on john lennon's had big huge bulbs on 664 00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:13,800 the side of the thing flashing off on 665 00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:16,680 off on a red light on top and I say you 666 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:18,660 really need big lightbulbs around the 667 00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:19,890 side of your craft to fly through 668 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:21,990 interstellar space no it's all just a 669 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:23,610 game it says if they're just going whoa 670 00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,260 take a look at this and they're doing 671 00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:27,120 this breadcrumb thing so grade one would 672 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:29,940 be sort of the the the the breadcrumb 673 00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:31,950 thing then you have these these beings 674 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:33,720 that come down they do the screen 675 00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:35,370 imaging thing they sort of interact with 676 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:37,080 some people they meet with the damn ski 677 00:26:42,170 --> 00:26:39,510 and then they disappear the sort of the 678 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:42,180 the hue noise types and then you have 679 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:45,180 the the gray start in 1961 and you start 680 00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:46,770 seeing these patterns and that's where 681 00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:48,630 it starts to fit in that you see the 682 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:49,740 metal and you go 683 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:52,110 I mean these are that sophisticated to 684 00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:54,090 come across the universe and not many of 685 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,800 them not only do they crash but they 686 00:26:59,960 --> 00:26:57,360 break into little tiny pieces that 687 00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,970 people can pick up what's going on and I 688 00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:02,400 start to think that no it's all it's all 689 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:04,830 imaging it's all messages so with the 690 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,210 the to the stars thing I think it's sort 691 00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:08,820 of like a dead end in terms of of where 692 00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:10,800 you're gonna go and in the higher 693 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,230 lessons the higher grades what they're 694 00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,400 doing is they're coming in they're doing 695 00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:16,559 this this direct sort of the abduction 696 00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,780 thing where they they pick up people 697 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:20,760 they give the the messages and you get 698 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:22,410 these these sort of patterns and these 699 00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,570 people start to carry the message and in 700 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:26,880 the in maybe 10 years ago like nobody 701 00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,950 would really listen to an experiencer it 702 00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:30,480 was like you know you're kind of crazy 703 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:32,520 whatever but they're almost like the 704 00:27:35,890 --> 00:27:34,410 gates coming out of the closet in 1960s 705 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:35,900 they're sort of putting groups together 706 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:38,490 you're starting to see this data that 707 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,710 starts to fit an explanation that there 708 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:42,240 is something here we should look at 709 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:43,950 these people and then with myself like 710 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:46,370 I've had actually two real major 711 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:48,570 download experiences I've had a number 712 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:50,730 and the way I do it I say that there's 713 00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:53,730 different ways to do this and people 714 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:55,950 will use like drumming meditation 715 00:28:02,120 --> 00:27:59,700 hypnosis a brain injury and what happens 716 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:02,130 is I describe it as and the analogy I 717 00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:04,530 use it's like you're you're in the ocean 718 00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,780 it's all one thing it's all water and at 719 00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:08,400 the top of the ocean you have the light 720 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:10,470 and the farther you're down into the 721 00:28:12,410 --> 00:28:10,950 water 722 00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:12,420 the darker gets and we're right at the 723 00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:14,550 bottom are in this darkness and at some 724 00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:16,950 point whether you're zoning out as I did 725 00:28:20,419 --> 00:28:18,390 during this call and and your lecture in 726 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:20,429 2012 and had the download' experience 727 00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:22,170 I sort of zoned out and I sort of 728 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:24,059 floated up into higher water where I 729 00:28:27,650 --> 00:28:26,400 could see more and I and then this stuff 730 00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:27,660 came into my head and I floated back 731 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:30,600 down and I had another one about two 732 00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:32,850 years ago which was a lot more involved 733 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:38,400 it involved 24 different items of a 734 00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:40,710 download experience so I picked that up 735 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:41,940 and that's the thing that's the thing 736 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:44,010 that I think is important to me because 737 00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:47,370 once I had mine I I said in 2012 before 738 00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:49,590 I had the download experience I was the 739 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:51,390 nuts and bolts guy I was the believe 740 00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:53,370 that the president the United States had 741 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,280 the answer and he knows what's going on 742 00:28:59,780 --> 00:28:57,360 he still believed the president knows 743 00:29:01,549 --> 00:28:59,790 what's going on and so that's where I 744 00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,559 was going and when I had that experience 745 00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:03,179 it came with absolute certainty and I 746 00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:03,539 don't know 747 00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,190 you've had this kind of experience but 748 00:29:10,489 --> 00:29:08,100 people who report these moments of 749 00:29:13,249 --> 00:29:10,499 inspiration or and a lot of them like 750 00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,259 Einstein's prime example Einstein's 751 00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,659 theory of relativity came in a dream 752 00:29:19,129 --> 00:29:17,340 that he had reused daily on this 753 00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:19,139 toboggan he's going to speed of light 754 00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,409 and he's quoted as saying I knew I had 755 00:29:26,629 --> 00:29:24,059 to understand that dream in fact you 756 00:29:28,820 --> 00:29:26,639 could say I would say that my entire 757 00:29:30,499 --> 00:29:28,830 career was based upon a meditation on a 758 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:30,509 dream so when you have these download 759 00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:32,489 experiences you know this is important 760 00:29:35,509 --> 00:29:33,659 yeah no don't 761 00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:35,519 I mind that this is the way it was the 762 00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,470 same in this one that I had two years 763 00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:39,659 ago it had 24 things it was like and I 764 00:29:43,159 --> 00:29:41,249 was it was very cold I was dry I was 765 00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:43,169 walking along and that's the way I do it 766 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:45,899 I could walk long distances and I'm just 767 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:47,369 sort of thinking and you sort of zone 768 00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:48,809 out and then suddenly it starts coming 769 00:29:52,940 --> 00:29:50,460 in your head so I was on a walk I'm 770 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:52,950 walking meditation yes and yeah so I'm 771 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:54,570 about two miles away from my home and 772 00:29:58,879 --> 00:29:55,769 this starts to come into my head these 773 00:30:00,169 --> 00:29:58,889 24 things and it's it's it did that one 774 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:00,179 I'll just give a brief thing because 775 00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:02,129 it's pretty involved but it basically 776 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:04,440 said to me the first one was 777 00:30:09,229 --> 00:30:06,450 consciousness non-local consciousness is 778 00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:09,239 what it's all about because in 75 when I 779 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:10,679 had this experience and nobody would 780 00:30:14,749 --> 00:30:12,210 publish the book I said all I'm 781 00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,759 interested in is what's going on 782 00:30:19,099 --> 00:30:16,919 somebody must know what my experience 783 00:30:20,539 --> 00:30:19,109 was about what did I see and when it I 784 00:30:22,099 --> 00:30:20,549 got that thing it was like this is the 785 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:22,109 answer you've been looking for it's all 786 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:23,609 consciousness it's all non-local 787 00:30:28,089 --> 00:30:25,710 consciousness everything is one so the 788 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:28,099 next day this download experience said 789 00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:30,330 you're looking at the world and there's 790 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:33,299 there's if this versus that and what is 791 00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:34,950 happening is you've got to get all the 792 00:30:38,509 --> 00:30:36,059 assumptions right it's like doing a 793 00:30:40,729 --> 00:30:38,519 mathematical equation if in step 2 you 794 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:40,739 add instead of subtracting you can do 795 00:30:43,820 --> 00:30:42,330 all the research you want you are going 796 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:43,830 to get the wrong answer you have to get 797 00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:45,450 all the assumptions right so there the 798 00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:48,179 the one assumption would be is the world 799 00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:51,059 this goes back to my 2012 one is the 800 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:52,830 world made out of nuts and bolts is it 801 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:54,330 made out of little tiny physical 802 00:30:58,460 --> 00:30:57,210 particles that may be one world so 803 00:31:00,019 --> 00:30:58,470 that's one world you can build this 804 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:00,029 whole worldview around that sort of 805 00:31:05,479 --> 00:31:03,090 thing but if it this is it download is 806 00:31:07,849 --> 00:31:05,489 it nuts and bolts or is it consciousness 807 00:31:09,489 --> 00:31:07,859 if it's consciousness then it's a 808 00:31:12,139 --> 00:31:09,499 completely different world you have to 809 00:31:13,609 --> 00:31:12,149 redo everything go through all your 810 00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:13,619 assumptions again because you've got a 811 00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:15,509 basic assumption wrong so that was the 812 00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:17,550 one the other one is the big expiry 813 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:20,280 the message that experiences get 54% of 814 00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,020 all people say that they're talked to 815 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:24,000 about oneness I say that is the key 816 00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:25,050 message that they're trying to get 817 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:26,820 across is this thing that everything is 818 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:29,010 alive everything's connected 819 00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:31,410 everything's one they are us we are them 820 00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:33,750 and this whole concept and the way we 821 00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:34,830 have it in this world 822 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:37,440 even Donald Trump speech today in in the 823 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:41,300 UN dong Trump says he's in favor of 824 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:43,770 patriotism rather than globalism so it's 825 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:45,690 this idea of separation where we 826 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:48,750 separate you're a separate for me and 827 00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:49,970 then there's good guys and bad guys 828 00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:52,740 animals are just just objects we can 829 00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,270 kill animals and it's the separation 830 00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:56,880 thing that when you get separation it's 831 00:32:00,530 --> 00:31:58,830 a completely different world yes or 832 00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:00,540 based upon the world of oneness if you 833 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:02,550 believe everything's one that you are I 834 00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,970 I am the aliens I am everything or you 835 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:07,440 know even with ayahuasca experiences 836 00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:09,270 people will describe sting the famous 837 00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,520 musician said you know he does the 838 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:13,980 ayahuasca and he suddenly realizes his 839 00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:16,050 ego is crushed and everything around him 840 00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:18,030 was alive and conscious and that I think 841 00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:19,140 is the message they're trying to get 842 00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:20,580 across I got these different things or 843 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:23,070 the other one I'll give you an example 844 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:25,830 of this 24 things one was one life or 845 00:32:29,390 --> 00:32:27,960 multiple lives so we've always made the 846 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:29,400 assumption it's one life we only live 847 00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:32,310 one time but if reincarnation if it's 848 00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:34,800 multiple lives everything changes 849 00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:36,120 especially when it comes to abduction 850 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:38,280 experiences that people say other duct 851 00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,690 edits against their will or whatever and 852 00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:41,880 then you regress people back like Chris 853 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:44,820 Bledsoe this experiencer in his 854 00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:47,100 regression it was done by the 855 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:51,150 associative of John Mack Michael 856 00:32:54,410 --> 00:32:52,290 O'Connor 857 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:54,420 he said when did you first meet these 858 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:56,130 people and chris said they have been 859 00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:57,810 with me since before I was born 860 00:33:01,100 --> 00:32:59,610 and you start talking to experiences at 861 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:01,110 all and a lot of them when you arrest 862 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:02,970 them back Kathy Martin said she really 863 00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:04,170 you know didn't know whether this is 864 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,540 true so she got a regression and she got 865 00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:08,820 regressed back to when she was born and 866 00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:10,470 she said I was I was really shocked to 867 00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:12,990 hear myself say yes I agreed to do I 868 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:15,300 agree to come in to do this so if it's 869 00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:17,370 multiple lives then everything that 870 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:19,680 happens to you in your life is really 871 00:33:24,410 --> 00:33:22,170 not random it's things that you're 872 00:33:26,660 --> 00:33:24,420 choosing to do to learn lessons and so 873 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:26,670 you get the another thing is is the 874 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:29,010 world random errs at not random if you 875 00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:30,690 are say an experiencer and you predict 876 00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:31,380 that I'm gonna have a 877 00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:33,780 accident three days the world is less 878 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:35,280 random than you think it is we assume 879 00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,810 the whole world's random we build our 880 00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:38,340 whole worldview on this random this 881 00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:40,230 thing maybe it's not random at all and 882 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:41,940 that was these things there's 24 things 883 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:43,890 isn't this or is it that is this or that 884 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:45,660 and so I'm sort of putting these 885 00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:47,640 together now and I'm doing a 886 00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:50,270 presentation online that will be at my 887 00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:52,560 white house UFO YouTube channel where 888 00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:54,180 I'm gonna go through I go through about 889 00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:56,340 twelve or thirteen of these these things 890 00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,200 that came into my head and that's where 891 00:34:03,380 --> 00:34:00,080 I'm at now it's it's more like a 892 00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:03,390 philosophical look at the the whole 893 00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:04,920 thing what does it really mean because 894 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,300 people will get into like for example 895 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:08,820 with the to the Stars or whatever it is 896 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:10,050 it's like well when are we gonna get 897 00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,129 this culture when is the government 898 00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:13,080 gonna you know tell us and basically 899 00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,220 it's like when are they gonna tell me 900 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:17,159 what I believe is is true and basically 901 00:34:21,590 --> 00:34:19,710 when it comes down and I always in my 902 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:21,600 lectures for this when it comes down to 903 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,490 it it really has nothing to do with the 904 00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:25,440 government it's like are you really 905 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:27,000 going are you gonna get up and do 906 00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:28,260 something finally if the government 907 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:30,419 discloses what the government does has 908 00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:32,610 nothing to do with you it's what are you 909 00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,860 what to give you it's multiple lives you 910 00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:37,020 came into this world to do something 911 00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:38,580 you're going to leave this world they're 912 00:34:41,419 --> 00:34:40,110 gonna ask you how did you make out 913 00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:41,429 because you put all the players you 914 00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,500 setup the whole stage and arranged all 915 00:34:46,220 --> 00:34:44,940 this thing to learn whatever lessons and 916 00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:46,230 they're gonna say how do you make out 917 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:47,879 and you can't bring up Hillary Clinton 918 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:49,139 you can't bring up the government you 919 00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,730 can't bring up the dog ate my homework 920 00:34:54,139 --> 00:34:52,440 you can't bring up any of this kind of 921 00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:54,149 stuff it basically comes down to I came 922 00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:56,550 into this life I have something that I 923 00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:59,160 plan to do and am I doing it and that's 924 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:00,300 that's all we have to really worry about 925 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:02,130 that we're sort of externally motivated 926 00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:03,180 which I guess would be one of the other 927 00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:05,070 things are you internally motivated or 928 00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:07,500 externally motivated I don't think the 929 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:11,760 you know the call to the UFO area is 930 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:15,000 something that is you know coming to 931 00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:18,450 certain people I had witnessed UFOs when 932 00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:23,670 I was in my teens and had some not 933 00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:26,700 abduction but experience or situations 934 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:29,190 with other beings when I was in my 20s 935 00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:32,490 and I kind of ran away from it because 936 00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:33,630 it frightened me 937 00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:37,830 but then you know around 15 years ago I 938 00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,940 was suddenly reawaken and I had to do 939 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:44,640 something more with it thus he 940 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:48,720 I am on these this show basically which 941 00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:52,410 involves consciousness and UFOs and past 942 00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:55,950 lives and NDEs and all that sort of 943 00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,400 thing but in the interim I felt like I 944 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,160 too was given a gift which was the 945 00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:04,680 ability to do readings for people which 946 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:07,740 I have been doing ever since my teens 947 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:10,130 ever since the around the time of my 948 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:14,010 first UFO sighting so yeah yeah that's 949 00:36:17,269 --> 00:36:16,049 the thing is I always asked experiences 950 00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:17,279 one of my first questions when they say 951 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,079 an experience they're always say do you 952 00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,760 believe you have a mission and almost 953 00:36:24,799 --> 00:36:23,220 everybody will say yeah I think like a 954 00:36:26,299 --> 00:36:24,809 lot people say I think I do I don't know 955 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:26,309 what is but and some people like you 956 00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:27,690 have sort of figured it out and that's 957 00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:29,880 where I'm saying is that that in the end 958 00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:32,190 if you're way ahead of the crowd if you 959 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:34,529 suddenly realize that you have some sort 960 00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:35,490 of thing that you're supposed to do 961 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:37,740 that's where it it doesn't become random 962 00:36:42,799 --> 00:36:40,200 where you're chosen to do something you 963 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,809 come in and a lot of people believe it's 964 00:36:47,269 --> 00:36:44,880 sort of like I'm a victim you know this 965 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:47,279 happened to me and and I really don't 966 00:36:50,109 --> 00:36:49,170 wanna be a part of this and it comes 967 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:50,119 down to taking personal responsibility 968 00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:53,730 for where where you're at and the 969 00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:55,740 experiences have much more of the 970 00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:58,440 answers I think in terms of even ray 971 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:00,420 Hernandez like and these are you get 972 00:37:04,009 --> 00:37:01,890 these bizarre synchronicities where 973 00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:04,019 shows the world isn't really random ray 974 00:37:09,019 --> 00:37:06,799 Hernandez he has his first experience 975 00:37:12,799 --> 00:37:09,029 where he has the dog you know his dog 976 00:37:15,279 --> 00:37:12,809 story where yeah yeah this happens on 977 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:15,289 March the fourth or fifth or something 978 00:37:19,099 --> 00:37:18,210 2012 my download experience happened a 979 00:37:21,319 --> 00:37:19,109 week before that 980 00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:21,329 Chris Chris Bledsoe his first encounter 981 00:37:25,309 --> 00:37:23,220 with the shining lady happened within 982 00:37:26,749 --> 00:37:25,319 days and I keep always tell ray 983 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:26,759 I said ray I don't think it's accidental 984 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:28,170 in fact the other one that ray talks 985 00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:31,049 about he he has a thing where he goes 986 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:33,480 out outside the house his wife sees this 987 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:35,130 thing and he remembered the story he 988 00:37:38,539 --> 00:37:36,450 goes and he's standing outside the house 989 00:37:40,009 --> 00:37:38,549 and he hasn't seen anything yet and he's 990 00:37:42,859 --> 00:37:40,019 waiting for this guy to drop off these 991 00:37:43,999 --> 00:37:42,869 papers he's an IRS attorney and he said 992 00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:44,009 well I think I'll try it you know wow I 993 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:46,740 want to see the big ship that has the 994 00:37:49,579 --> 00:37:48,089 stained glass windows that my wife saw 995 00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,589 and really nothing happens and just 996 00:37:53,539 --> 00:37:52,079 before 15 minutes later just before this 997 00:37:55,279 --> 00:37:53,549 guy arrives suddenly there's this thing 998 00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,289 he says looks like Wembley Stadium over 999 00:37:58,220 --> 00:37:56,880 the next-door neighbor's house and he 1000 00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,230 suddenly realizes like 1001 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:00,000 this thing's got consciousness cuz I 1002 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:01,770 actually brought this thing in and so he 1003 00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,330 gets into this thing and you know ray I 1004 00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:04,800 mean he was only sleeping I think two 1005 00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:06,630 hours a day at the time he was reading 1006 00:38:13,610 --> 00:38:10,380 everything he could find on on quantum 1007 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:13,620 physics and you know UFOs and stuff and 1008 00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:15,810 he contacted me on the internet because 1009 00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:17,880 I was I started to do consciousness 1010 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:20,100 lectures and so I said well I'm coming 1011 00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,660 to Florida I'm coming to Sebring Florida 1012 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:23,280 I'm gonna lecture on consciousness why 1013 00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:25,050 don't you come down we'll have a talk so 1014 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:27,060 he comes to that lecture I give my 1015 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:28,410 consciousness lecture he and his wife 1016 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:30,210 tell their story for the first time in 1017 00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:31,800 this experience or meeting that they 1018 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:34,440 have there and a couple days later after 1019 00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:36,210 my consciousness lecture he leaves 1020 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:37,470 that's when he has the dominant 1021 00:38:42,830 --> 00:38:40,170 experience on the Miami freeway where 1022 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:42,840 he's taken there and sits the wheel it's 1023 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:44,610 the whole wheel where you know this 1024 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,530 quantum physics there's near-death 1025 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,480 experiences out-of-body experiences 1026 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:50,640 there's UFOs and in the middle of the 1027 00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:52,050 wheel is consciousness and they've shown 1028 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:54,360 this this wheel and so you start to see 1029 00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:55,890 all this stuff because it's the same 1030 00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:57,030 message I had I wrote a book called 1031 00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:58,710 inspired the paranormal world of 1032 00:39:02,780 --> 00:39:01,230 creativity and I wrote that the same 1033 00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:02,790 thing so I go through different chapters 1034 00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:04,860 so a chapter on people who got downloads 1035 00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:06,030 and inspirations and near-death 1036 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:09,320 experiences in music in art in 1037 00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:12,960 inventions with head injuries all these 1038 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:14,580 different things and it's all the same 1039 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:15,780 thing and that's basically what it comes 1040 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:17,970 down to is it's a conscious world it's 1041 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:20,250 not a nuts-and-bolts world it's a 1042 00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:22,620 conscious world and when you understand 1043 00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:24,270 that and you realize everything is 1044 00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:25,620 connected everything is linked together 1045 00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:30,000 and that the primary building block the 1046 00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:32,310 ground of being is consciousness once 1047 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:34,080 you understand that you start to make 1048 00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:35,970 ground and I say and I will repeat a 1049 00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:38,670 hundred times if I have an allowed to in 1050 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:41,460 a lecture unless you understand 1051 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:43,260 consciousness and realize its 1052 00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,240 implications for the UFO phenomena you 1053 00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:48,000 will never ever understand what's going 1054 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:49,800 on because it has so much to do with 1055 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:52,170 what's going on this is really not a fit 1056 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:53,610 and nuts and bolts thing like people 1057 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:55,710 think it is we don't really even don't 1058 00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:57,450 know we're up against and you know I've 1059 00:40:02,900 --> 00:39:59,790 had experiences who actually said to the 1060 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:02,910 beings are you an alien and I don't know 1061 00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:04,410 if you've ever interviewed Cherie wild 1062 00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,870 she was one she said to them are you 1063 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:08,700 actually an alien and he said no I'm not 1064 00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:11,620 she said well why do you come justice 1065 00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:13,480 this ugly gray looking thing and he said 1066 00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:15,070 ugly great thing you ever looked at 1067 00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:17,230 yourself in the mirror she's got big big 1068 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:19,240 she's got big teeth he says she is you 1069 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:20,170 ever looked at yourself in the mirror 1070 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:21,400 when you smile we think you're gonna eat 1071 00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:23,050 us and you get these people getting 1072 00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:25,000 these indications that maybe it's like 1073 00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:27,460 where's the screen imaging start and the 1074 00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:30,670 alien ends or you have a an alien that 1075 00:40:33,810 --> 00:40:31,630 turns into a ball of light and 1076 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:33,820 disappears well is it a ball of light or 1077 00:40:37,110 --> 00:40:35,470 is it an alien and if it's a ball of 1078 00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:37,120 light disease bacon eggs toast and 1079 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:38,470 coffee in the morning and you start 1080 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:40,570 getting these cross that they are able 1081 00:40:44,490 --> 00:40:42,310 they're in sort of another world almost 1082 00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:44,500 like Bashara the great Chandler said we 1083 00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:46,180 come in to you we come to you in your 1084 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:48,820 dreams because now you're in our world 1085 00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:50,830 so they're in this world higher up in 1086 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:52,420 the water closer to the light they know 1087 00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:54,970 more they can see more and they come in 1088 00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:56,470 and they come in and they can move back 1089 00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:57,640 and we think we're stuck in this 1090 00:41:01,200 --> 00:40:59,170 physical world that's all there is and 1091 00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:01,210 that's where you have to real I think 1092 00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:02,590 people have to realize that this 1093 00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:04,540 consciousness thing is the link it is 1094 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:05,830 the key to put this whole thing together 1095 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:08,290 and that's why I'm so happy that Ray put 1096 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:10,210 this he's a fantastic guy in terms of I 1097 00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:12,250 don't know if he sleeps or not but this 1098 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:14,860 book called beyond UFOs and 800 pages 1099 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:16,870 right yeah and it's all about 1100 00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:18,250 consciousness and that's what I said 1101 00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:20,200 this is the story they read this whole 1102 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:22,060 book in John Alexander does an article 1103 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:25,450 in there and really really shield and 1104 00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,130 all these people in fact a couple of the 1105 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:28,720 authors are actually dead now that you 1106 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:29,770 know they wrote the articles and they're 1107 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:31,570 now in there but it's all about this 1108 00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:33,010 consciousness link and that's where we 1109 00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:35,320 have to go so it's it's it's you know 1110 00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:37,870 it's kind of you know cândido to watch 1111 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:41,200 the you know the hardware stuff with the 1112 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:43,720 recovering metals or look at the u.s. 1113 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:46,780 latest UFO video or whatever but in 1114 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:48,970 terms of getting answers you get the 1115 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:51,490 situation where for example 40 percent 1116 00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,930 of all experiences say at one point they 1117 00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:54,160 knew the answers everything in the 1118 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:56,140 universe or 22 percent of them said they 1119 00:42:00,360 --> 00:41:57,610 knew the answer to everything about 1120 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:00,370 themselves that ever existed if somebody 1121 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:03,910 has given access to the answer to 1122 00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:05,650 everything in the universe then the 1123 00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:07,060 aliens have opened this thing up they 1124 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:08,380 have allowed you and I would say it's 1125 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:10,390 higher higher consciousness it's it's 1126 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:12,490 like the you know the all the answers 1127 00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:14,170 are there and it's a matter of tapping 1128 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:15,670 into the thing and that's what we have 1129 00:42:19,410 --> 00:42:17,560 to learn is that we're just stuck in 1130 00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:19,420 this world with a bunch of bad beliefs 1131 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:22,900 and a bunch of bad assumptions and we're 1132 00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:25,330 sort of like just watching the next 1133 00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:25,750 video 1134 00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:27,670 and the next thing and that people like 1135 00:42:31,859 --> 00:42:30,880 ray and the free organization I believe 1136 00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:31,869 are on the right track and it all 1137 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:34,060 happened the same time his story started 1138 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:35,410 basically the same time as I mind 1139 00:42:40,589 --> 00:42:37,810 started there's this this woman who 1140 00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:40,599 petina Aguilera was running for Congress 1141 00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:45,670 in Florida on the for the GOP s she lost 1142 00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:51,940 the primary but she was actually the 1143 00:42:57,210 --> 00:42:54,609 Miami Herald actually back her she was 1144 00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:57,220 most qualified candidate and she's had 1145 00:43:02,099 --> 00:42:59,460 six experiences where she was taken to 1146 00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:02,109 another planet so I had a number of 1147 00:43:05,609 --> 00:43:03,220 conversations was there one of the 1148 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:05,619 things she brought up was the fact that 1149 00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:08,290 one of her major first experience has 1150 00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,630 happened exactly the same day as Travis 1151 00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:12,900 Walton was abducted Travis Waltons 1152 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:16,060 experiences happened exactly the same 1153 00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:19,090 time as if you remember in 1975 the 1154 00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:21,430 famous NORAD experiences so you have 1155 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:23,590 UFOs inside the nuclear weapons storage 1156 00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:25,810 area Loring Air Force paints were sprint 1157 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:27,849 Air Force Base Minot Air Force Base most 1158 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:29,650 remember space that happen exactly the 1159 00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:32,320 same time as Travis Walton she get these 1160 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:34,470 bizarre synchronicities and mine was 75 1161 00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:37,240 Budd Hopkins and this is an example that 1162 00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:40,060 shows that it's almost like they're 1163 00:43:45,690 --> 00:43:42,820 dropping little crumbs 1975 is when but 1164 00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,700 Hopkins started his abduction research 1165 00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:47,680 and the way it starts it's very bizarre 1166 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:49,780 he has the exciting in 1964 and when you 1167 00:43:53,849 --> 00:43:51,609 hear him describe that sighting you go 1168 00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:53,859 this guy's in experiences there's no way 1169 00:43:58,530 --> 00:43:56,140 this thing's hanging above him above the 1170 00:44:00,900 --> 00:43:58,540 car plain daylight saucer just sitting 1171 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:00,910 there sort of just he's motivated to go 1172 00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:03,609 read you know four books and 75 the guy 1173 00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:05,320 who sells him his liquor at they at the 1174 00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:07,060 corner store says I had this weird 1175 00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:08,589 experience and I was going along that 1176 00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,630 road and there was this flying saucer 1177 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:13,119 who was 100 feet from the road and there 1178 00:44:17,130 --> 00:44:15,970 was these aliens outside the craft with 1179 00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:17,140 little shovels and they were digging 1180 00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:20,140 holes and it's like really so budget 1181 00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:21,940 course gets obsessed for this and he 1182 00:44:26,609 --> 00:44:23,950 goes to the area and he finds these 15 1183 00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:26,619 holes five inches deep and then he goes 1184 00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:28,780 and talks to a guy it was a night 1185 00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:30,940 watchman at an apartment complex or 1186 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:32,080 something that would have been able to 1187 00:44:35,579 --> 00:44:33,730 seek this field and the guy said yeah I 1188 00:44:37,770 --> 00:44:35,589 saw this I saw this thing going on the 1189 00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,780 other night and but starts this whole 1190 00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:39,119 thing it was it 1191 00:44:42,289 --> 00:44:40,619 random that I just suddenly got into 1192 00:44:43,999 --> 00:44:42,299 this and you can see people getting sort 1193 00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:44,009 of dragged in it's like they they you 1194 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:45,900 see a UFO and it's we always have these 1195 00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,880 stories where people see a UFO and then 1196 00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:49,440 they get into research and then they 1197 00:44:52,999 --> 00:44:50,910 quit and then we always had this joke 1198 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:53,009 years ago already we say yeah I think 1199 00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:54,569 wait yeah don't worry they'll be back 1200 00:44:57,799 --> 00:44:56,430 nobody leaves everybody comes back you 1201 00:44:59,269 --> 00:44:57,809 get suppressed for a while and you pull 1202 00:45:01,309 --> 00:44:59,279 out but you always come back it's like 1203 00:45:04,099 --> 00:45:01,319 the hook is in you and you can't let it 1204 00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:04,109 go and that's with me my friends were 1205 00:45:08,029 --> 00:45:06,329 with in 1875 they went on with their 1206 00:45:09,799 --> 00:45:08,039 life I fell off the engineer I mean I 1207 00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:09,809 could I couldn't not believe what I seen 1208 00:45:13,339 --> 00:45:11,670 I just basically gave up everything and 1209 00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:13,349 I've sort of been chasing this thing and 1210 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:14,819 there was ten year period where I didn't 1211 00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,609 do anything but I'm as obsessed with the 1212 00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:20,460 thing as I ever was yes and and as I was 1213 00:45:30,190 --> 00:45:25,619 saying to you briefly in 2012 in that 1214 00:45:33,859 --> 00:45:30,200 same time period I saw a huge fireball 1215 00:45:36,769 --> 00:45:33,869 fly over my head and it was like this 1216 00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:36,779 bright green and it seemed to be like 1217 00:45:43,249 --> 00:45:41,190 molten and it was a febrile what they 1218 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:43,259 call February fireballs that don't 1219 00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:46,890 follow the the seemingly the rules of 1220 00:45:55,009 --> 00:45:50,099 physics the way regular meteor showers 1221 00:45:58,279 --> 00:45:55,019 do they're huge they they're seen by a 1222 00:46:01,220 --> 00:45:58,289 lot of people and I thought it had 1223 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:01,230 fallen down on a hill nearby where I was 1224 00:46:04,729 --> 00:46:02,940 watching it and I was waiting for some 1225 00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:04,739 kind of explosion but apparently people 1226 00:46:12,259 --> 00:46:09,480 saw it all the way from Scandinavia all 1227 00:46:14,539 --> 00:46:12,269 the way to like West Virginia was 1228 00:46:19,099 --> 00:46:14,549 basically the trajectory of the thing 1229 00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:19,109 and it was it was a real wake-up call 1230 00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:24,960 for me but I in my original sighting and 1231 00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:29,420 my connection with a being who was a 1232 00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:34,140 tall blond or a sort of Nordic type 1233 00:46:39,739 --> 00:46:36,569 being like an angel without wings kind 1234 00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:39,749 of being until the time that I came back 1235 00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:45,150 into the field so to speak around 2004 1236 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:48,180 it was a number of years in between but 1237 00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:50,609 like you said you get bitten at one 1238 00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:52,620 point and you could 1239 00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:54,900 about for a while I dropped out slightly 1240 00:47:00,320 --> 00:46:57,320 because of fear and slightly because 1241 00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:00,330 life took me in a different direction I 1242 00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:03,000 had to make money and live and do all 1243 00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:07,470 those yeah and the interesting side note 1244 00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:10,380 there is that Bettina her beings were 1245 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:11,910 like heroes that's where she's 1246 00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,110 describing human type beings in fact she 1247 00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:18,780 says she's pretty convinced the same 1248 00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:21,060 ones that are described in these this 1249 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:25,110 whole story about the Pentagon the the 1250 00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:27,210 Thor thing at the Pentagon all that 1251 00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:29,550 stuff she I actually put her in contact 1252 00:47:33,590 --> 00:47:31,350 with a guy who's the major researcher 1253 00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:33,600 was doing a movie on it she just sort 1254 00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:34,800 out saying she's actually doing a book 1255 00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,380 now so here's this woman who you know 1256 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:38,880 put her whole career on the line and 1257 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,090 realized this could backfire as you know 1258 00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:43,440 when running for Congress and stuff like 1259 00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,630 that and she's still not really out 1260 00:47:49,850 --> 00:47:47,400 there but she is doing a book on her 1261 00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:49,860 experience so you can see people get 1262 00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,080 motivated and it's like is this random 1263 00:47:58,700 --> 00:47:54,900 that these people are are doing this or 1264 00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,710 are we sort of sort of inspired to do 1265 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:00,960 this given some little breadcrumb that 1266 00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:02,730 sort of wakens you up it's almost like 1267 00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:04,920 if you're if you're an experienced or 1268 00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,750 it's usually a life you're a lifer to 1269 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:08,520 have it your entire life but there comes 1270 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:10,770 a period of time like in Chris Bledsoe 1271 00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:13,170 2007 in January where they sort of wake 1272 00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:14,520 you up to say okay now it's time for you 1273 00:48:17,810 --> 00:48:16,230 to remember and suddenly you have an 1274 00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:17,820 experience and suddenly it all comes 1275 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:19,800 flooding back into your head and you're 1276 00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:21,210 off on your little mission whatever your 1277 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:24,120 mission is indeed well I have a few 1278 00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:26,730 questions and kind of sort of like a 1279 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:29,220 conversation I'd like to have with you 1280 00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:31,710 about a few of these things and on this 1281 00:48:39,070 --> 00:48:35,310 show we have dealt with people who were 1282 00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:39,080 abducted but we've also dealt with 1283 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:42,300 parapsychologists and people who are 1284 00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:44,730 involved from that angle now in 1285 00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:49,140 parapsychology and in physics to an 1286 00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:51,150 extent there are people like at the pear 1287 00:48:56,330 --> 00:48:53,700 lab of the former pear lab who were 1288 00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,340 physicists who have come into this 1289 00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:00,000 through the back door like a dr. Robert 1290 00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:03,260 Jon recently deceased but 1291 00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,680 the in the end what the question ends up 1292 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:08,000 being there are people who are 1293 00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:11,810 physicalists that are materialists and 1294 00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:14,750 then there are people who are like you 1295 00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:17,510 and I largely consciousness people who 1296 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:20,200 believe that consciousness is primary 1297 00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:23,570 and so there's always this tension 1298 00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:27,140 between the two however if you go all 1299 00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:29,180 the way down to the bottom of things 1300 00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:32,990 even in terms of particles you can 1301 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:35,150 discover that you're in a way an 1302 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:37,490 electron it doesn't weigh anything weigh 1303 00:49:41,830 --> 00:49:39,770 a proton cut it up into pieces it 1304 00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:41,840 doesn't weigh anything because it's 1305 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:46,460 really energy and when you get to that 1306 00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:48,050 then the next step 1307 00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:51,350 I guess beyond energy is is totally non 1308 00:49:57,609 --> 00:49:53,270 physical stuff but since matter and 1309 00:50:00,250 --> 00:49:57,619 energy seem to be totally you know chain 1310 00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:00,260 interchangeable that's I guess the first 1311 00:50:06,609 --> 00:50:04,310 step in this direction however what why 1312 00:50:08,980 --> 00:50:06,619 would i lecture on that I usually talk 1313 00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:08,990 about the famous dual slit experiment 1314 00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:10,760 when I lecture about this I talk about 1315 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:12,980 the sort of the prime mystery and the 1316 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:15,770 primary element of consciousness that 1317 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:17,930 when you have to do a slit experiment it 1318 00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,450 it's a it's a quantum wave when you try 1319 00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:21,920 to make a measurement when you bring an 1320 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:23,720 observer in then it turns to a particle 1321 00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:29,570 and so it's as wheeler who is one in the 1322 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:31,369 Bell Prize for Physics and he used the 1323 00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:32,810 guy to come up with dark holes and 1324 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:35,060 wormholes and all those theories said 1325 00:50:39,849 --> 00:50:36,530 it's a participatory universe that 1326 00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:39,859 consciousness forces the wave to turn 1327 00:50:45,490 --> 00:50:42,230 into a particle and it also proves to me 1328 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:45,500 that particles that that that the 1329 00:50:49,330 --> 00:50:48,290 quantum wave is actually conscious 1330 00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:49,340 because it knows when there's an 1331 00:50:52,330 --> 00:50:50,540 observer and it knows when there's a 1332 00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:52,340 desert when there's an observer it'll 1333 00:50:55,330 --> 00:50:53,480 turn to a particle when there's no 1334 00:50:57,090 --> 00:50:55,340 observers will stay as a wait the same 1335 00:50:59,859 --> 00:50:57,100 as the other big experiment is the 1336 00:51:01,210 --> 00:50:59,869 entangled particle experiment where you 1337 00:51:03,099 --> 00:51:01,220 send a particle in one direction 1338 00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:03,109 entangled particle and another one in 1339 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:05,030 the other direction say a photon or 1340 00:51:08,349 --> 00:51:07,010 whatever you need to change its spin you 1341 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:08,359 change the one spin the other one could 1342 00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:10,130 be others I was a galaxy and it will 1343 00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:11,030 change its spin 1344 00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:13,190 yes which sort of sort of throws this 1345 00:51:17,019 --> 00:51:14,660 whole thing about time and space out of 1346 00:51:19,779 --> 00:51:17,029 out of maybe we've got that all 1347 00:51:22,689 --> 00:51:19,789 as well and I say well that also proves 1348 00:51:23,799 --> 00:51:22,699 that these photon is conscious because 1349 00:51:25,899 --> 00:51:23,809 it knows when you're fooling around with 1350 00:51:28,149 --> 00:51:25,909 his buddy when you change your it's 1351 00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:28,159 buddy's spin it immediately changes so 1352 00:51:30,909 --> 00:51:29,569 it knows what the other side is doing 1353 00:51:32,259 --> 00:51:30,919 and that's this whole thing that 1354 00:51:35,439 --> 00:51:32,269 everything is conscious right down to 1355 00:51:39,609 --> 00:51:35,449 that level and so then when it comes to 1356 00:51:41,799 --> 00:51:39,619 these the sort of the battle of sort of 1357 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:41,809 the physicalists who are in the field 1358 00:51:45,959 --> 00:51:44,390 and who are still trying to hedge it as 1359 00:51:48,699 --> 00:51:45,969 sort of a material thing that 1360 00:51:49,989 --> 00:51:48,709 consciousness with the brain creates his 1361 00:51:50,469 --> 00:51:49,999 consciousness rather than the other way 1362 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:50,479 around 1363 00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:52,609 I say basically it comes down I say the 1364 00:51:56,349 --> 00:51:55,400 UFO cover-up it's got nothing to be with 1365 00:51:57,729 --> 00:51:56,359 the government the government would 1366 00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,739 disclose if you would give them the 1367 00:52:00,909 --> 00:51:59,599 opening to do it I'd say the media 1368 00:52:03,549 --> 00:52:00,919 really doesn't have two big stories I'll 1369 00:52:05,949 --> 00:52:03,559 run the story the key element to the 1370 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:05,959 cover-up is the scientific community so 1371 00:52:10,029 --> 00:52:07,609 I was looking at up the other day and it 1372 00:52:12,009 --> 00:52:10,039 took Harvard or to go to MIT it's like 1373 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:12,019 46,000 dollars a year so if you go to 1374 00:52:15,999 --> 00:52:13,849 Harvard or MIT for four years and you 1375 00:52:16,959 --> 00:52:16,009 spend all this money plus the amount of 1376 00:52:19,479 --> 00:52:16,969 money it takes you to live there 1377 00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:19,489 whatever and then suddenly someone says 1378 00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,630 to you everything you learned at school 1379 00:52:24,459 --> 00:52:22,640 is total nonsense you're going to fight 1380 00:52:26,349 --> 00:52:24,469 back because that's your I call it the 1381 00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:26,359 secular sunday-school I mean there's 1382 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:29,569 you've been embedded with an idea that 1383 00:52:32,979 --> 00:52:31,130 everything is physical and these 1384 00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:32,989 professors that you sort of held up to 1385 00:52:37,089 --> 00:52:35,209 be really smart guys told you this and 1386 00:52:38,529 --> 00:52:37,099 it's very hard you can see this in 1387 00:52:40,749 --> 00:52:38,539 politics that people just become more 1388 00:52:42,429 --> 00:52:40,759 embedded when you start arguing politics 1389 00:52:45,009 --> 00:52:42,439 where there's one side or the other on 1390 00:52:46,419 --> 00:52:45,019 their view yes very few people ever 1391 00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:46,429 change it's almost like I think Max 1392 00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:47,900 Planck who is one of the key guys 1393 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:50,390 performing a physics ed science advanced 1394 00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:52,130 is one funeral at a time and I think the 1395 00:52:55,479 --> 00:52:54,169 UFO community is the same thing and 1396 00:52:57,789 --> 00:52:55,489 that's why I think it was so important 1397 00:53:00,130 --> 00:52:57,799 what to the Stars did and it was Jim 1398 00:53:02,019 --> 00:53:00,140 semi van who set this thing up these 1399 00:53:03,549 --> 00:53:02,029 three newspapers to all go the same day 1400 00:53:05,319 --> 00:53:03,559 and what you're trying to do is you're 1401 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:05,329 if you're a Republican or Democrat you 1402 00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:07,130 don't go after the other side's voters 1403 00:53:10,269 --> 00:53:08,689 because they ain't voting for you what 1404 00:53:13,749 --> 00:53:10,279 you do is you go up to the swing voters 1405 00:53:16,539 --> 00:53:13,759 so you may have a 10% or 20% part of the 1406 00:53:18,849 --> 00:53:16,549 American population who really don't I 1407 00:53:20,890 --> 00:53:18,859 really don't have any vested interest in 1408 00:53:22,089 --> 00:53:20,900 UFOs that really don't know those are 1409 00:53:24,279 --> 00:53:22,099 people you're trying to swing the swing 1410 00:53:25,899 --> 00:53:24,289 voters just move those people gradually 1411 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:25,909 move them farther and farther and it's 1412 00:53:30,249 --> 00:53:27,169 like the whole consciousness thing where 1413 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:30,259 you get to a certain point in a 1414 00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:30,890 consciousness 1415 00:53:34,839 --> 00:53:32,750 where it suddenly flips where it's like 1416 00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:34,849 we say like when did african-americans 1417 00:53:39,009 --> 00:53:37,640 get there right and when did gay gay 1418 00:53:41,890 --> 00:53:39,019 rights suddenly get acknowledged to 1419 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:41,900 people I don't know I was 15 years 20 1420 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:43,609 years it just it's just going to sort of 1421 00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:45,410 happen and people just sort of accept it 1422 00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:48,559 and then say well cultures a [\h__\h] people 1423 00:53:52,329 --> 00:53:50,660 people want want this day this thing 1424 00:53:53,710 --> 00:53:52,339 where somebody's going to stand up and 1425 00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:53,720 do it but that's really not the way it 1426 00:53:57,339 --> 00:53:55,670 works the government never leads they 1427 00:53:58,509 --> 00:53:57,349 just follow and it's coming from the 1428 00:54:00,400 --> 00:53:58,519 bottom and that's what the intelligence 1429 00:54:01,569 --> 00:54:00,410 behind the phenomena is doing is they're 1430 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:01,579 coming from the bottom up they're 1431 00:54:06,279 --> 00:54:03,890 shifting consciousness they don't they 1432 00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:06,289 don't deal with the the the government 1433 00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:07,910 you're dealing with people one at a time 1434 00:54:11,470 --> 00:54:09,950 and these messages are coming and people 1435 00:54:12,759 --> 00:54:11,480 tell your stories and that's why they 1436 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:12,769 tell these bizarre stories that's why 1437 00:54:15,849 --> 00:54:14,210 you have these bizarre incidents that 1438 00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,859 happened to you where all they want you 1439 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:17,599 to do is go and tell your story to 100 1440 00:54:21,099 --> 00:54:19,369 people that's why they abducted Travis 1441 00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:21,109 Walt and I believe for five days because 1442 00:54:25,059 --> 00:54:23,150 they went Wow if we have ducks I mean 1443 00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:25,069 for five days man that thing will be on 1444 00:54:28,809 --> 00:54:26,750 the front page and Travis to this day is 1445 00:54:30,339 --> 00:54:28,819 still the most famous lecture there is 1446 00:54:32,410 --> 00:54:30,349 everybody wants and every weekend he's 1447 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:32,420 doing something and if you had only been 1448 00:54:35,890 --> 00:54:34,250 taken for two hours you never heard from 1449 00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,900 squall so you're doing this kind of 1450 00:54:39,579 --> 00:54:38,000 stuff or Chris blood so Chris blood 1451 00:54:41,650 --> 00:54:39,589 cells Warner Brothers wants to do the 1452 00:54:43,269 --> 00:54:41,660 movie on his story very bizarre story 1453 00:54:45,269 --> 00:54:43,279 and they said we'd like we'd like a sign 1454 00:54:47,529 --> 00:54:45,279 can you get them to give us a sign and 1455 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:47,539 Chris I saw I guess all these 1456 00:54:51,249 --> 00:54:49,609 premeditates or pray prayers or whatever 1457 00:54:53,529 --> 00:54:51,259 he does and the very next day the tree 1458 00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:53,539 starts to burn and this tree is is is 1459 00:54:56,529 --> 00:54:55,220 burning three times in six hours and 1460 00:54:58,779 --> 00:54:56,539 they're trying to put this tree on the 1461 00:55:01,569 --> 00:54:58,789 inside of the tree which had half fallen 1462 00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,579 down had a UFO ring on it underneath it 1463 00:55:06,009 --> 00:55:04,160 years before and half the tree had died 1464 00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:06,019 and then suddenly it's on fire and the 1465 00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:06,680 branches 1466 00:55:09,789 --> 00:55:08,359 there's a holes through the top and the 1467 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:09,799 fires coming at the top of the trees and 1468 00:55:12,759 --> 00:55:11,450 they go back to the script writers at 1469 00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:12,769 Warner Brothers and they say you know 1470 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:13,880 what happened last night this weird 1471 00:55:17,019 --> 00:55:15,650 thing this tree can burning Leigh we 1472 00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:17,029 stuck the hose in there we put it out 1473 00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:18,559 and it would start fire and he said 1474 00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:20,119 thank you that's a fine we wanted and 1475 00:55:23,499 --> 00:55:22,190 that's why I always said that's that's 1476 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:23,509 what they want to do they just just done 1477 00:55:27,370 --> 00:55:25,130 this weird thing the while so when I'm 1478 00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,380 with Chris blood so yeah yeah where I'm 1479 00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:30,319 with Chris blood so in 2013 and I really 1480 00:55:33,549 --> 00:55:31,880 don't know him I'm just going past his 1481 00:55:35,799 --> 00:55:33,559 place I said Chris gonna stop by and see 1482 00:55:37,059 --> 00:55:35,809 you I want to see this burning tree and 1483 00:55:39,759 --> 00:55:37,069 take the pictures of the burning tree 1484 00:55:43,390 --> 00:55:39,769 and we're in his house and we're playing 1485 00:55:44,859 --> 00:55:43,400 on the computer and his wife is gone his 1486 00:55:46,809 --> 00:55:44,869 kids are all like University 1487 00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:46,819 kids they're all gone we're sitting 1488 00:55:49,809 --> 00:55:47,960 there by ourselves we're playing on 1489 00:55:51,759 --> 00:55:49,819 Facebook and I'm just ready to go to 1490 00:55:55,930 --> 00:55:51,769 Florida to lecture where I would read 1491 00:55:57,519 --> 00:55:55,940 meet ray and then I said to him he or 1492 00:55:59,230 --> 00:55:57,529 sudden I hear him saying what you guys 1493 00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:59,240 doing back in the house and I looked at 1494 00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,920 he's got three dogs big he's black lab a 1495 00:56:04,809 --> 00:56:02,960 medium-sized dog and this little tiny 1496 00:56:06,339 --> 00:56:04,819 trello and they're standing in a little 1497 00:56:07,989 --> 00:56:06,349 deliver here when he goes are you back 1498 00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:07,999 in house and we go into front doors wide 1499 00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:09,470 open so he puts the dogs back outside 1500 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:12,380 and I leave and then I get to Florida 1501 00:56:15,819 --> 00:56:14,329 and he's got an email I said you know 1502 00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:15,829 I've got two more times after you left I 1503 00:56:19,749 --> 00:56:18,529 went back in the house and it's suddenly 1504 00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,759 the dogs are back in the house and I go 1505 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:21,680 in the front doors wide open and then I 1506 00:56:24,999 --> 00:56:23,390 go in the bathroom I put dogs outside go 1507 00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:25,009 in the bathroom come out the dogs back 1508 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:26,809 on us again doors wide open and I 1509 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:28,249 thought yeah whatever you left the door 1510 00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:30,529 open I mean demeaning to me so when I 1511 00:56:34,509 --> 00:56:32,150 come back I'm going back to Washington 1512 00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:34,519 DC to drop off a rent-a-car I want to 1513 00:56:37,539 --> 00:56:35,809 take some more pictures of the tree and 1514 00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,549 he's got very very bizarre stories he 1515 00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,960 takes around shows you all these 1516 00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:41,119 different things that happened and it's 1517 00:56:44,049 --> 00:56:42,440 like a story that water brothers gonna 1518 00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:44,059 throw 80 million dollars at this story 1519 00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:46,190 it's just such a bizarre story and so 1520 00:56:49,269 --> 00:56:47,480 I'm taking pictures and this happens 1521 00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,279 within five minutes after I get there 1522 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:52,400 finally this thing with the dog so he's 1523 00:56:54,999 --> 00:56:53,420 sitting there's just let's go in the 1524 00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:55,009 house and Nellie who's the big black lab 1525 00:56:58,690 --> 00:56:56,720 is right behind just sitting lying on 1526 00:57:01,239 --> 00:56:58,700 the grass behind us completely quiet and 1527 00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:01,249 we go to go in the house and I'm on the 1528 00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:02,960 left Chris is on the right and the dog 1529 00:57:06,819 --> 00:57:04,910 comes on my left side and I hear Chris 1530 00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,829 Cole tell me you know I've been using 1531 00:57:10,989 --> 00:57:08,960 and I look in this just bloody shooting 1532 00:57:12,759 --> 00:57:10,999 at the dog's neck like I got like a an 1533 00:57:14,529 --> 00:57:12,769 artery got hit like a one is shooting up 1534 00:57:16,269 --> 00:57:14,539 on the wall on the walls and the floor 1535 00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:16,279 and stuff and I go and when they were 1536 00:57:21,009 --> 00:57:17,960 letting the dogs out of the front door I 1537 00:57:22,930 --> 00:57:21,019 went as he left the door open I went wow 1538 00:57:24,609 --> 00:57:22,940 this is weird I go run into the car get 1539 00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:24,619 the camera I'm taking these pictures and 1540 00:57:27,729 --> 00:57:26,089 then Chris and I had this sort of the 1541 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:27,739 debate and I said to Chris you know what 1542 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:29,930 I need to do it they burnt the tree they 1543 00:57:32,859 --> 00:57:31,609 want a movie they want this story out 1544 00:57:34,359 --> 00:57:32,869 they want you to tell the story and 1545 00:57:35,769 --> 00:57:34,369 that's why they didn't he said no i 1546 00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:35,779 thought was a shadow people i said no no 1547 00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:38,900 i was and and what happened was they to 1548 00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:40,910 me it was like you're not impressed with 1549 00:57:47,170 --> 00:57:42,380 us letting dogs out the front door watch 1550 00:57:49,150 --> 00:57:47,180 this and when i looked my pants the dog 1551 00:57:50,979 --> 00:57:49,160 came on my side the side of my pants a 1552 00:57:52,839 --> 00:57:50,989 color to take a dog to run by you like a 1553 00:57:54,099 --> 00:57:52,849 quarter of a second time my pants looked 1554 00:57:54,430 --> 00:57:54,109 like the dog of been standing for five 1555 00:57:56,170 --> 00:57:54,440 minutes 1556 00:57:58,319 --> 00:57:56,180 there's blood off up and down inside of 1557 00:57:59,939 --> 00:57:58,329 my pants Chris puts his hand on the 1558 00:58:02,429 --> 00:57:59,949 he's good the dog is lying down 1559 00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:02,439 completely calm takes it the drag up 1560 00:58:06,299 --> 00:58:04,209 which is awful oblige the dog runs off 1561 00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,309 and they look for a wound they could not 1562 00:58:09,779 --> 00:58:08,079 find any wound of the dog and it's those 1563 00:58:12,449 --> 00:58:09,789 kind of bizarre things and the dog is 1564 00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,459 all gone right Doris okay okay that's 1565 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:14,559 what we all want the whole thing yeah 1566 00:58:16,769 --> 00:58:15,609 and that's the whole thing is that 1567 00:58:18,449 --> 00:58:16,779 they're doing these bizarre things 1568 00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,459 because I tell this story every time 1569 00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:20,559 every chance I get and then he said no I 1570 00:58:23,699 --> 00:58:21,849 don't think that's what it was and then 1571 00:58:25,709 --> 00:58:23,709 a couple weeks later he phones he says I 1572 00:58:27,089 --> 00:58:25,719 suck at those photographs were taking 1573 00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:27,099 one of others would like to see the 1574 00:58:31,169 --> 00:58:29,140 photographs so whenever they do this 1575 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:31,179 story wherever this story comes out this 1576 00:58:33,269 --> 00:58:32,170 is gonna be one of the stories and 1577 00:58:35,370 --> 00:58:33,279 that's what they do they burn the tree 1578 00:58:37,499 --> 00:58:35,380 they do the thing like his first night 1579 00:58:39,509 --> 00:58:37,509 when you had the sighting there was 14 1580 00:58:41,370 --> 00:58:39,519 UFOs people don't realize how impressive 1581 00:58:42,809 --> 00:58:41,380 this story what there was aliens all 1582 00:58:43,229 --> 00:58:42,819 over the place there was one chasing the 1583 00:58:45,059 --> 00:58:43,239 truck 1584 00:58:46,709 --> 00:58:45,069 his son was pinned down on the bush by 1585 00:58:49,919 --> 00:58:46,719 these two three four aliens with the red 1586 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:49,929 eyes and when he gets home these these 1587 00:58:54,569 --> 00:58:52,209 these beings are in in the bush and he 1588 00:58:56,759 --> 00:58:54,579 goes out there and then there's one tall 1589 00:58:58,650 --> 00:58:56,769 seven-foot blueish green being that 1590 00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,660 comes up to the window it was the most 1591 00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:00,160 bizarre thing like why would he do this 1592 00:59:04,439 --> 00:59:02,140 like it was almost like they want this 1593 00:59:06,479 --> 00:59:04,449 story told it's just so bizarre you know 1594 00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:06,489 eight eight or nine UFOs moving like a 1595 00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:08,529 constellation across the sky as this 1596 00:59:11,729 --> 00:59:10,209 thing starts and here's this guy who 1597 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:11,739 doesn't really believe anything 1598 00:59:16,859 --> 00:59:14,890 Pentecostal Deacon it has no interest in 1599 00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:16,869 UFOs is suddenly thrust into the story 1600 00:59:21,509 --> 00:59:18,849 with all these contractors there's five 1601 00:59:22,979 --> 00:59:21,519 witnesses and it's a story where Warner 1602 00:59:25,859 --> 00:59:22,989 Brothers looks at incense boggling we 1603 00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:25,869 loved it it was that fact it was Mel 1604 00:59:29,249 --> 00:59:27,670 Gibson now Gibson wanted to play the 1605 00:59:30,839 --> 00:59:29,259 lead role called want to play Chris 1606 00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:30,849 Bledsoe in his movie and they were going 1607 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:33,249 to have Julia Roberts in the movie and 1608 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:34,569 that's what I think they're doing 1609 00:59:37,499 --> 00:59:35,650 they're doing this kind of thing where 1610 00:59:39,329 --> 00:59:37,509 they're going Wow tell the story tell 1611 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:39,339 the story and the more people hear it 1612 00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,650 it's it's almost like now you can talk 1613 00:59:44,219 --> 00:59:42,880 to someone on the street and they may 1614 00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:44,229 not believe you but not good I call you 1615 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:46,390 crazy anymore their consciousness has 1616 00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:48,130 shifted and I think this is what they're 1617 00:59:50,819 --> 00:59:49,569 going to be shifting consciousness the 1618 00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:50,829 same as that's why they believe through 1619 00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,329 the stars is doing they're shifting 1620 00:59:55,289 --> 00:59:54,160 consciousness they're not trying to 1621 00:59:57,870 --> 00:59:55,299 impress anybody they're not trying to 1622 01:00:00,719 --> 00:59:57,880 prove anything in the end they're just 1623 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:00,729 moving that that spectrum over so more 1624 01:00:05,309 --> 01:00:02,650 more people are accustomed to the fact 1625 01:00:06,689 --> 01:00:05,319 that when it comes out people won't be 1626 01:00:08,339 --> 01:00:06,699 surprised there was even a guy by name 1627 01:00:10,919 --> 01:00:08,349 is kid green who's on get to the stars 1628 01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:10,929 he works with experiencers he does the 1629 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:12,040 brain scans on the expert 1630 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:13,330 inches they talk about the experiences 1631 01:00:19,650 --> 01:00:16,770 all have this antenna you're tapped into 1632 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:19,660 whatever this phenomena is they call it 1633 01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:23,170 an antenna and soak it green tells a 1634 01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:24,640 story he's interviewed just a number of 1635 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:29,110 years ago for a book called carrier in 1636 01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:30,250 the book but there's a guy who believed 1637 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,870 it was all government disinformation 1638 01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:34,240 type stuff and kit Green says to him he 1639 01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:36,040 says he was talking about sir pond he 1640 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:38,620 said no no no don't pour that story out 1641 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:40,570 he said there's that's this classified 1642 01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:42,760 material in there and then he said what 1643 01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:44,860 would you do if you had to get this 1644 01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:46,960 story what would you do it's fine to sit 1645 01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:48,100 on the sidelines and said the governor 1646 01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:49,240 should do this governor should go but 1647 01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:50,140 what happens if you're the government 1648 01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:51,520 and you have to do something about this 1649 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:53,080 he said well you put out all sorts of 1650 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:54,490 memes about the reptilians you're eating 1651 01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,410 your kids and all this kind of stuff and 1652 01:01:00,060 --> 01:00:58,480 then if something comes out if they 1653 01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:00,070 suddenly release the story it's just 1654 01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,230 going to be we're being visited for some 1655 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:04,960 whatever reason by things and the people 1656 01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:06,610 will immediately go while the eating our 1657 01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:08,620 kids they go no not eaten the kids they 1658 01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,390 never go well it was a big deal what's 1659 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:11,680 the big deal and that's what they're 1660 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:12,970 doing is the I think the government's 1661 01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:14,770 doing the same acclimatization and I've 1662 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:15,910 written a number of books about this 1663 01:01:22,260 --> 01:01:17,890 about the government gradually leaking 1664 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:22,270 these stories that are sort of gradually 1665 01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:24,370 putting putting out the message of what 1666 01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:28,390 they're doing I have one big question 1667 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:31,000 for you and I want to have a moment to 1668 01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:34,690 just pose it out for you yeah and that 1669 01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:37,780 is that you know you and I and perhaps 1670 01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:40,660 many of our readers may agree that 1671 01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:44,740 consciousness is primary and not get any 1672 01:01:50,570 --> 01:01:47,230 argument you won't get any argument from 1673 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:50,580 me about that however just because 1674 01:02:00,300 --> 01:01:54,010 everything is connected and I believe it 1675 01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:00,310 is I'm still not totally convinced that 1676 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:03,160 all the different experiences and I'm 1677 01:02:09,570 --> 01:02:06,370 not talking about past life experiences 1678 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:09,580 versus UFO experiences I'm talking about 1679 01:02:14,070 --> 01:02:11,290 experiences quote unquote 1680 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:14,080 of the others now for the purposes of 1681 01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:16,150 this discussion I would choose to call 1682 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:18,460 them entities whether they're aliens 1683 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:21,610 whether they're angels whether they're 1684 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:24,730 you know just non corporeal beings 1685 01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:25,960 floating in the APIs 1686 01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:28,270 fear we don't know in fact we really 1687 01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:33,190 don't know but you get stuff going on 1688 01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:37,030 like was at the skinwalker ranch there 1689 01:02:43,140 --> 01:02:40,780 where animals were mutilated and and 1690 01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:43,150 other places in that you need a basin 1691 01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:44,920 and other places around the world where 1692 01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:47,980 animals are mutilated where cats are cut 1693 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:52,240 in half yeah and like take the missing 1694 01:02:58,290 --> 01:02:56,410 for one one situation people go missing 1695 01:03:00,540 --> 01:02:58,300 and the amount of people that go missing 1696 01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,550 in the United States alone in Canada 1697 01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:03,280 it's just it's a monumental number and 1698 01:03:07,710 --> 01:03:05,710 of course some people just want to 1699 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:07,720 disappear of this some people could be 1700 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:10,170 murdered but there are these really 1701 01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:14,290 unexplained missing situations sometimes 1702 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:16,089 the bodies found sometimes it's never 1703 01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:20,290 found so my point here is I want to 1704 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:22,630 believe that there's something good in 1705 01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:25,450 the universe or in all of consciousness 1706 01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:30,040 but I my experience tells me that it the 1707 01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:33,280 the beings aren't all the same thing 1708 01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:37,240 so that like when when at the the the 1709 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:42,940 the skinwalker ranch the the some of the 1710 01:03:48,540 --> 01:03:45,970 the one fellow he found out that he had 1711 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:48,550 sort of like a a hitchhiker on him and 1712 01:03:53,070 --> 01:03:51,250 he went home and he was having all kinds 1713 01:03:56,849 --> 01:03:53,080 of bad experiences and even as children 1714 01:03:59,970 --> 01:03:56,859 were having bad experiences how do we 1715 01:04:02,099 --> 01:03:59,980 how do we put that together in Grant 1716 01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,109 Cameron's a world how does grant can 1717 01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:05,200 okay that together okay I say that's I 1718 01:04:09,329 --> 01:04:08,020 think that's great six you do this kind 1719 01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:09,339 of stuff okay let's do skinwalker ranch 1720 01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:10,839 first oh and you talked about 1721 01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:13,119 manifesting so I if you if you know I've 1722 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:14,710 done a lot of research on remission Rama 1723 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:16,930 so mission Rama is the same thing so the 1724 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:19,450 the skinwalker ranch has the portal and 1725 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:21,250 you have this sort of being coming out 1726 01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:22,690 of the portal and it's it's sort of 1727 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:26,950 scary type stuff and so you've got guys 1728 01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:28,770 there we're walking around with guns 1729 01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:31,390 they're all military people there it's 1730 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:32,830 it's it's complete different world you 1731 01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:35,050 get the mission Rama stuff and these 1732 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:37,300 people they meditate they're owning and 1733 01:04:39,810 --> 01:04:38,650 this sort of stuff and they're opening 1734 01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:39,820 these Enders they call them 1735 01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:42,070 Andras there are no mutilated animals 1736 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:47,710 there are no you know scary things 1737 01:04:51,060 --> 01:04:48,970 coming out of portals and stuff like 1738 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:51,070 that and so it may come down to the fact 1739 01:04:55,290 --> 01:04:53,410 that you sort of manifest what you which 1740 01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:55,300 you've got so the skinwalker ranch is a 1741 01:04:58,680 --> 01:04:56,890 completely different thing than the 1742 01:05:00,380 --> 01:04:58,690 mission Rama experiences is two 1743 01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:00,390 different types of people manifesting 1744 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:03,070 what's coming out the whole thing with 1745 01:05:07,140 --> 01:05:04,690 the the evil aliens and the abduction 1746 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:07,150 stuff if you look at the abduction stuff 1747 01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:09,730 that's the the hard one to to deal with 1748 01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:12,340 so you look at we say okay there's evil 1749 01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:15,070 aliens as above so below then there 1750 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:17,260 there are these actual aliens there's 1751 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:18,850 good aliens and there's bad aliens and 1752 01:05:22,860 --> 01:05:20,530 that's the same on earth so then I 1753 01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:22,870 immediately say well which race on earth 1754 01:05:27,870 --> 01:05:25,270 is evil the idea that there are evil 1755 01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,880 races to me is absolute xenophobic 1756 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:30,160 racism it's just crazy idea I mean there 1757 01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:32,410 you have in the world the way the world 1758 01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:34,150 works to me is it's reincarnation so you 1759 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:37,270 have beings reincarnating over and over 1760 01:05:40,890 --> 01:05:38,530 again and they do good things and bad 1761 01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:40,900 things so there's been ten ten thousand 1762 01:05:43,350 --> 01:05:42,790 cattle mutilations and we say this is 1763 01:05:45,630 --> 01:05:43,360 horrible 1764 01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:45,640 let's let the cows vote on this that's 1765 01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:46,990 what the cows is getting two hundred 1766 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:49,150 animals a year cows are going to be 1767 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:51,850 mutilated by aliens or if you go with 1768 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:54,970 the humans it's forty 1.7 million cows a 1769 01:05:59,070 --> 01:05:56,170 year in the United States that are 1770 01:06:01,800 --> 01:05:59,080 killed nine billion chickens four 1771 01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:01,810 thousand cats a day are euthanized in 1772 01:06:04,830 --> 01:06:02,740 the United States and we say Oh 1773 01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:04,840 euthanize a miraculous euthanizing 1774 01:06:08,010 --> 01:06:06,430 because then they're objects we don't 1775 01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:08,020 really need them there's too many cats 1776 01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:09,790 and we do we do this kind of stuff the 1777 01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:11,110 other thing about the calculations if 1778 01:06:15,030 --> 01:06:12,760 you start to look at what is actually 1779 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:15,040 going on what is really going on you 1780 01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,410 start to look at Perkins Kenna versus 1781 01:06:26,070 --> 01:06:22,960 first name Perkins says and he's got the 1782 01:06:27,210 --> 01:06:26,080 biggest catalogs he's a big cattle 1783 01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:27,220 mutilation guy he's got going the 1784 01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:30,100 biggest organs David Park conceived at 1785 01:06:35,340 --> 01:06:32,350 Burke and David Perkins he's got one of 1786 01:06:38,220 --> 01:06:35,350 the biggest category catalogs of cattle 1787 01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,230 mutilations in in in the world he says 1788 01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:40,240 all calculations happened downwind and 1789 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:43,230 downstream from nuclear power activities 1790 01:06:50,250 --> 01:06:46,210 accidents nuclear testing and stuff like 1791 01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:50,260 that if you take a look at the the knids 1792 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:52,750 report said they thought it would had to 1793 01:06:55,319 --> 01:06:53,650 do with man 1794 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:55,329 cow disease that someone's doing a 1795 01:06:58,620 --> 01:06:57,250 monitoring program so you have this 1796 01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,630 monitoring program that somebody's 1797 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:00,160 running around and that's why they take 1798 01:07:03,329 --> 01:07:01,690 the tongue that's why they take the the 1799 01:07:04,589 --> 01:07:03,339 general stuff because these are the new 1800 01:07:06,210 --> 01:07:04,599 tissues that if you're going to find 1801 01:07:08,279 --> 01:07:06,220 some sort of contamination in the soil 1802 01:07:09,779 --> 01:07:08,289 that's where you're going to find it the 1803 01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:09,789 key to the abduction thing is people 1804 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:11,740 only tell half the abduction story so 1805 01:07:14,609 --> 01:07:13,210 you have the whatever it is where 1806 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:14,619 there's a government that's doing a lot 1807 01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:15,609 of people believe it's the government's 1808 01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:16,990 doing this monitoring program I don't 1809 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:18,609 believe it is because we're moving into 1810 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:20,170 get been law and we had the best people 1811 01:07:23,460 --> 01:07:22,450 that we could possibly get a team in 1812 01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:23,470 there and we held a crashed helicopter 1813 01:07:27,210 --> 01:07:25,510 there's no way you could do ten thousand 1814 01:07:28,589 --> 01:07:27,220 calculations and not crash a helicopter 1815 01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:28,599 and get caught and you wouldn't be 1816 01:07:31,019 --> 01:07:29,950 shooting back at the farmers and stuff 1817 01:07:32,730 --> 01:07:31,029 like that so I don't believe it's the 1818 01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:32,740 government but whoever is doing the 1819 01:07:37,019 --> 01:07:35,020 thing a lot of the people who are 1820 01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:37,029 working on this thing believe that this 1821 01:07:40,529 --> 01:07:38,380 is some sort of monitoring operation 1822 01:07:42,029 --> 01:07:40,539 they're monitoring these these cows the 1823 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:42,039 part of the story that always people 1824 01:07:46,289 --> 01:07:43,930 always leave out is the wow factor 1825 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:46,299 so now that's Linda how this lots of 1826 01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:48,010 times never gotten an answer 1827 01:07:51,930 --> 01:07:50,470 I say it's actually 20,000 mutilations 1828 01:07:53,940 --> 01:07:51,940 so you have to go in there you get the 1829 01:07:55,170 --> 01:07:53,950 cow you pick up the cow and then you fly 1830 01:07:58,289 --> 01:07:55,180 off you do whatever you're going to do 1831 01:08:00,510 --> 01:07:58,299 to the cow and the question is why do 1832 01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:00,520 they come back into the war zone 1833 01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,470 why do you fly back in whether there's a 1834 01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:04,480 government or the aliens and drop the 1835 01:08:09,089 --> 01:08:07,359 cow in the front yard of the farmer from 1836 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:09,099 a hundred feet and drive this thing into 1837 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:11,890 the ground because they want Linda Howe 1838 01:08:16,220 --> 01:08:14,170 and Perkins and all these people to take 1839 01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:16,230 pictures and they want people to 1840 01:08:20,579 --> 01:08:18,609 publicize this thing that's why they 1841 01:08:22,559 --> 01:08:20,589 drop the thing if you if you're if 1842 01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:22,569 you're an alien and you've got you need 1843 01:08:26,519 --> 01:08:25,089 this cow for whatever purpose you're 1844 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:26,529 going to do we eat them and then say 1845 01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:28,449 they're using it for genetic stuff why 1846 01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,310 do you come back and drop the cow it 1847 01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:32,080 doesn't make any sense you've got the 1848 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:35,170 cow go and you know make it vaporize or 1849 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:36,250 put it in the ocean or something like 1850 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:38,170 that they come back it's the message as 1851 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:39,850 they're dropping that's why with the 1852 01:08:43,709 --> 01:08:41,890 with the cats why why would you drop the 1853 01:08:45,870 --> 01:08:43,719 cat back in the front yard is it's 1854 01:08:47,849 --> 01:08:45,880 always this messaging thing that that 1855 01:08:49,919 --> 01:08:47,859 there may be a message behind us it's 1856 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:49,929 not that that's simple and when you look 1857 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:52,449 at the the reports that are done it's it 1858 01:08:55,019 --> 01:08:53,650 seems to have something do with 1859 01:08:57,450 --> 01:08:55,029 monitoring and the other thing when you 1860 01:09:00,780 --> 01:08:57,460 get this manifesting thing if you listen 1861 01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:00,790 to Chris O'Brien he wrote these two big 1862 01:09:06,629 --> 01:09:04,120 books on calculations he says he has yet 1863 01:09:08,129 --> 01:09:06,639 and one of the biggest cow breeds in the 1864 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:08,139 world is the 1865 01:09:12,329 --> 01:09:10,210 there has never been a mutilation of a 1866 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:12,339 Brahmin and there's been and he says one 1867 01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:13,690 out of twenty is reported so you're 1868 01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:14,980 talking two hundred thousand cattle 1869 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:17,350 mutilations according to his stats never 1870 01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:19,449 a single one in the world has been 1871 01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:21,790 mutilated and why and why might that be 1872 01:09:26,999 --> 01:09:24,580 because the Indians consider them to be 1873 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:27,009 sacred animals and so it comes to the 1874 01:09:32,459 --> 01:09:29,650 idea we treat them as meat and we 1875 01:09:34,919 --> 01:09:32,469 mutilate 41 million a year we cut them 1876 01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:34,929 up and then we eat them and and and 1877 01:09:37,919 --> 01:09:36,310 there's never been a brainy said he's 1878 01:09:40,169 --> 01:09:37,929 looked and looked and looked he's never 1879 01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,179 seen and he actually says there may be a 1880 01:09:46,019 --> 01:09:43,120 religious aspect to this whole thing so 1881 01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:46,029 cat emulation is a hard one to two to 1882 01:09:49,260 --> 01:09:47,409 work on and I'm working on this thing 1883 01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:49,270 looking at this thing so I would say 1884 01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,040 you've gotta you've got to look at the 1885 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:53,199 the dropping of the cow is the part that 1886 01:09:56,669 --> 01:09:54,730 nobody everything always wants to have 1887 01:09:58,110 --> 01:09:56,679 the thing about what did they take and 1888 01:10:00,240 --> 01:09:58,120 why would someone do this 1889 01:10:02,330 --> 01:10:00,250 you know we we're the good guys we're 1890 01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,340 killing all these millions we have a 1891 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:04,480 legitimate reason but they couldn't 1892 01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,010 possibly have a legitimate reason to do 1893 01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:09,040 this studies can I be the devil's 1894 01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:12,190 advocate here only you know I don't know 1895 01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:13,960 I'm not saying I believe this I'm saying 1896 01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:16,030 I really don't know with the dropping of 1897 01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:18,750 the cattle back some people posit that 1898 01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,489 the government does that so that the 1899 01:10:27,149 --> 01:10:23,199 farmer can get the money and the 1900 01:10:29,459 --> 01:10:27,159 insurance by giving the body in what but 1901 01:10:32,129 --> 01:10:29,469 according to O'Brien most of most cattle 1902 01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:32,139 farmers don't even report them okay he 1903 01:10:37,169 --> 01:10:35,110 figures a one out of ten or something or 1904 01:10:39,570 --> 01:10:37,179 one out of twenty are reporting these 1905 01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:39,580 things and the risk is and this is this 1906 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:40,600 thing about the government doing it 1907 01:10:43,740 --> 01:10:42,130 where I don't really believe it is that 1908 01:10:45,899 --> 01:10:43,750 you're gonna go in there this is twenty 1909 01:10:47,459 --> 01:10:45,909 thousand and you remember when we went 1910 01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,469 to the get the Iranian hostages we 1911 01:10:50,970 --> 01:10:49,120 crashed all the helicopters we had the 1912 01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:50,980 eighteen with with the top helicopters 1913 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:52,270 no talk people who are we crashed 1914 01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:54,010 helicopter what's the chances you could 1915 01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,449 you could do this ten thousand cattle 1916 01:11:00,360 --> 01:10:57,280 mutilations over all these years and get 1917 01:11:02,220 --> 01:11:00,370 caught I say simple you take a look if 1918 01:11:03,390 --> 01:11:02,230 this were confirmed that you crashed a 1919 01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:03,400 helicopter if it was the government 1920 01:11:08,010 --> 01:11:05,260 doing this and they crashed a helicopter 1921 01:11:09,899 --> 01:11:08,020 can you imagine this story on the front 1922 01:11:12,209 --> 01:11:09,909 page in New York Times the American 1923 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:12,219 government mutilated ten thousand cattle 1924 01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:14,260 and they were shooting at farmers and 1925 01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:15,670 this sort of the government Falls 1926 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:17,500 there's no way if you take a look at the 1927 01:11:20,189 --> 01:11:19,330 guy who ran the Ben Laden operation and 1928 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:20,199 I 1929 01:11:24,419 --> 01:11:22,090 name it Raven is his name he did a 1930 01:11:26,759 --> 01:11:24,429 thesis on I guess a master's thesis on 1931 01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:26,769 this whole thing he said it's you reduce 1932 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:29,110 your program to the least risk there's 1933 01:11:33,569 --> 01:11:31,690 no way in the world I think that the 1934 01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:33,579 government would do this the amount of 1935 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:35,590 risk of crashing helicopter and get 1936 01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:38,650 caught doing this is is way beyond what 1937 01:11:43,469 --> 01:11:41,110 all you have to do is you say okay Chris 1938 01:11:45,509 --> 01:11:43,479 O'Brien has got 120 cattle and we need 1939 01:11:47,609 --> 01:11:45,519 one from his one of his herd 1940 01:11:50,549 --> 01:11:47,619 he's going to sell a cow all you do is 1941 01:11:52,169 --> 01:11:50,559 get an insight it is some guy in the 1942 01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:52,179 auction house and when his cow comes 1943 01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,070 through you just buy it why would you go 1944 01:11:58,649 --> 01:11:55,840 through spending billions of dollars and 1945 01:12:00,209 --> 01:11:58,659 risk getting caught mutilating people's 1946 01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:00,219 cows and then dropping them in 1947 01:12:03,839 --> 01:12:02,260 somebody's in the front yard to 1948 01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:03,849 intimidate the thing and there's all 1949 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:06,190 these reports of the shootouts why would 1950 01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:07,510 he or the American government why would 1951 01:12:11,489 --> 01:12:08,860 you be shooting at the farmers can you 1952 01:12:12,839 --> 01:12:11,499 imagine if that story were to break it 1953 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:12,849 was the end of government it would just 1954 01:12:16,949 --> 01:12:14,650 to be millions of lawsuits millions 1955 01:12:19,379 --> 01:12:16,959 billions of dollars of the lawsuits what 1956 01:12:21,089 --> 01:12:19,389 would fall I agree with you it was just 1957 01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:21,099 being the devil's advocate because I 1958 01:12:25,169 --> 01:12:24,070 know people but people always bring that 1959 01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:25,179 up that they believe this is the 1960 01:12:30,209 --> 01:12:27,070 government and I never bill Moore who is 1961 01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,219 famous in the 80s and he actually had 1962 01:12:33,569 --> 01:12:32,320 work for the CIA he was brought up this 1963 01:12:36,449 --> 01:12:33,579 thing about there was one where they 1964 01:12:38,699 --> 01:12:36,459 found the gas masks and they found some 1965 01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:38,709 radar chaff in a cow's mouth and they 1966 01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:39,880 said well it just proves it's the 1967 01:12:42,569 --> 01:12:41,110 government and the government may do 1968 01:12:44,609 --> 01:12:42,579 stuff like that where they want you to 1969 01:12:46,529 --> 01:12:44,619 think it's the government but build more 1970 01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:46,539 said the same thing he said there's no 1971 01:12:50,669 --> 01:12:48,070 wait the CIA would do something that 1972 01:12:52,049 --> 01:12:50,679 risk is way too high all you do is go by 1973 01:12:53,939 --> 01:12:52,059 the cow why would you do this other 1974 01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:53,949 stupid thing and and risk getting 1975 01:12:57,899 --> 01:12:56,289 carcass in the 70s now there's and and 1976 01:12:59,310 --> 01:12:57,909 the other thing about calculations is I 1977 01:13:01,169 --> 01:12:59,320 don't care what anybody says they have 1978 01:13:03,899 --> 01:13:01,179 basically stocked there you have calvin 1979 01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:03,909 relations in argentina but in the 1970s 1980 01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:06,070 there was piles there was a farmer 1981 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:07,150 standing out there and they were 1982 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:08,650 shooting at anything that moved because 1983 01:13:12,209 --> 01:13:10,090 they were so furious there was cattlemen 1984 01:13:14,219 --> 01:13:12,219 75 again is the biggest year of 1985 01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,229 calculations it was when Travis when I 1986 01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:15,760 had my sighting all these things happen 1987 01:13:21,569 --> 01:13:19,840 in 75 and the the risk that you have in 1988 01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:21,579 going in there and but a lot of people 1989 01:13:24,540 --> 01:13:22,840 will maintain this is the government and 1990 01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:24,550 I say that does make any sense either 1991 01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:26,260 but the thing that I always say to 1992 01:13:30,569 --> 01:13:28,420 people you have to explain to to go that 1993 01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:30,579 calculation is why are they dropping the 1994 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:32,409 cow why are they going back in and 1995 01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:33,670 taking the risk of draw 1996 01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:35,710 penis cow and even Linda said the last 1997 01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:37,390 night stalkers said they're taunting us 1998 01:13:39,959 --> 01:13:39,070 and that's what I got yeah yeah I said 1999 01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:39,969 that's right that's what they're doing 2000 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:40,750 they're taunting us 2001 01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:42,250 they're basically sending a message 2002 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:43,440 whatever the message is you're 2003 01:13:47,459 --> 01:13:45,730 contaminating the world and you and I 2004 01:13:49,620 --> 01:13:47,469 may not know why they draw why that cow 2005 01:13:50,939 --> 01:13:49,630 got mutilated but I can guarantee if 2006 01:13:53,459 --> 01:13:50,949 someone in the government is going did 2007 01:13:55,380 --> 01:13:53,469 you see where that cow ended up did you 2008 01:13:57,090 --> 01:13:55,390 see that and they know exactly what the 2009 01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:57,100 contamination is they know exactly why 2010 01:14:00,510 --> 01:13:58,810 these things are dropping in same as why 2011 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:00,520 did I shut down our nuclear missiles 2012 01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,650 they're sending these messages over and 2013 01:14:06,570 --> 01:14:03,760 over again doing these various things 2014 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,580 and it's it's the the message but people 2015 01:14:11,550 --> 01:14:08,800 get caught in the sort of the the eye 2016 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:11,560 candy you know the mutilated cow or the 2017 01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:13,810 story about the missiles being shut down 2018 01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:16,630 or the the UFOs on the on the are the 2019 01:14:19,140 --> 01:14:18,100 lights on the UFO and stuff like that we 2020 01:14:22,169 --> 01:14:19,150 get caught up in these sort of things 2021 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:22,179 when in fact the actual story is what's 2022 01:14:25,950 --> 01:14:23,410 really going on what's the message 2023 01:14:28,110 --> 01:14:25,960 behind who is it and and what are they 2024 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:28,120 trying to do to me it the more I look at 2025 01:14:32,669 --> 01:14:30,730 it the more I absolutely think that it's 2026 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:32,679 all messaging it's all that's all 2027 01:14:35,729 --> 01:14:34,090 they're doing is they're they're raising 2028 01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:35,739 consciousness they're leaving messages 2029 01:14:40,919 --> 01:14:38,020 they may be like with experiences why 2030 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:40,929 would they show someone a screen 39% of 2031 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:42,610 all experiences see the screen where 2032 01:14:46,350 --> 01:14:43,810 they show this environmental devastation 2033 01:14:48,270 --> 01:14:46,360 yes all these sort of things why do they 2034 01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:48,280 do this this they're putting messages 2035 01:14:52,110 --> 01:14:50,350 across and they get this person and the 2036 01:14:53,729 --> 01:14:52,120 person carries the message and it may 2037 01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:53,739 not be a completely true message or 2038 01:14:56,939 --> 01:14:55,000 whatever but they're manipulating 2039 01:14:59,160 --> 01:14:56,949 people's consciousness they're moving 2040 01:15:01,260 --> 01:14:59,170 consciousness and basically the two 2041 01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,270 major messages are they don't want 2042 01:15:04,830 --> 01:15:03,280 nuclear weapons and we are destroying 2043 01:15:06,689 --> 01:15:04,840 the ecology of the earth those are the 2044 01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:06,699 two main messages I think and the 2045 01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:08,590 message of oneness that we have to 2046 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:10,630 realize we are all one that we are not 2047 01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:14,170 you know you know I'm a Canadian so I am 2048 01:15:17,459 --> 01:15:15,580 better than you and you're an American 2049 01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:17,469 you're better than me it's we're all one 2050 01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,390 almost like Reagan said how the world 2051 01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:20,800 would unite if we were faced with a 2052 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:23,320 threat of an alien invasion we all 2053 01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:25,330 realized we're just God's children yes 2054 01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,800 that is the bottom line of this thing we 2055 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:28,719 are all one and with the reincarnation 2056 01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:30,370 thing I say to people if you say do you 2057 01:15:34,410 --> 01:15:32,830 believe there's evil others out there if 2058 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:34,420 there's a reincarnation thing what 2059 01:15:38,430 --> 01:15:36,250 happens if you come back the next life 2060 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:38,440 and you're one of those evil beings are 2061 01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:39,850 you then evil for the rest of eternity 2062 01:15:44,669 --> 01:15:42,460 it's to me it's reincarnating it's 2063 01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,679 people doing various things and in every 2064 01:15:47,550 --> 01:15:46,239 race there are no evil races there are 2065 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:47,560 just people who are 2066 01:15:50,820 --> 01:15:49,090 they're and they're based on belief so 2067 01:15:52,590 --> 01:15:50,830 we would do stupid things like we you 2068 01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:52,600 know Hitler believed he had this bizarre 2069 01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:54,070 belief that the Jews were the problem 2070 01:15:58,530 --> 01:15:56,500 and it's based upon a belief and that's 2071 01:16:00,600 --> 01:15:58,540 the the other thing is knowing versus 2072 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:00,610 believing that experiences know they 2073 01:16:04,350 --> 01:16:02,410 have these experiences where they if you 2074 01:16:05,670 --> 01:16:04,360 can know anything it's through 2075 01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:05,680 experience but a lot of people are 2076 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:07,800 running around with beliefs based upon 2077 01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:10,690 crazy things and and belief in 2078 01:16:14,370 --> 01:16:12,880 separation I believe causes all evil as 2079 01:16:16,710 --> 01:16:14,380 soon as you believe that I'm different 2080 01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:16,720 than you animals are just objects other 2081 01:16:20,370 --> 01:16:18,310 things as soon as you believe that 2082 01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:20,380 you're separate and that you're not like 2083 01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:22,030 a cell on the body you suddenly believe 2084 01:16:26,490 --> 01:16:24,610 oh I'm separate I can be different and I 2085 01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:26,500 want to create I want to multiply and 2086 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:29,470 stuff then it becomes like in a human 2087 01:16:33,930 --> 01:16:32,050 body a cell that decides it's not part 2088 01:16:35,610 --> 01:16:33,940 of the one suddenly becomes a cancer 2089 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:35,620 cell it starts duplicating and start 2090 01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,210 taking over and stuff like that we 2091 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:40,000 realize with all parts of we're all the 2092 01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:42,250 same thing we're parts of a body or if 2093 01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,750 you take a look at a beehive and you 2094 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:45,280 take a look at the aliens it described 2095 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:47,290 as a as a hive mentality everybody's 2096 01:16:50,730 --> 01:16:48,970 sort of doing a job everybody's part of 2097 01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:50,740 one thing that they're doing it's not 2098 01:16:54,540 --> 01:16:52,510 like there's no designer clothes there's 2099 01:16:56,130 --> 01:16:54,550 there's no aliens with jewelry there's 2100 01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:56,140 there's none of this kind of stuff 2101 01:16:59,250 --> 01:16:57,610 they're all sort of doing something 2102 01:17:01,620 --> 01:16:59,260 almost like a hive where everybody's 2103 01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:01,630 working for the good of the one or to do 2104 01:17:05,310 --> 01:17:03,520 one mission and we have to realize we're 2105 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:05,320 all part of the one and we came into 2106 01:17:07,950 --> 01:17:06,970 this world to do something and all we 2107 01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:07,960 have to do is figure out what we're 2108 01:17:12,690 --> 01:17:10,120 doing and that this idea that there are 2109 01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:12,700 outside forces who are out to get us or 2110 01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:15,400 stuff like that if you have a world of 2111 01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:17,470 reincarnation you come in and you may 2112 01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:19,150 choose to be handicapped you may choose 2113 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:21,100 to be abused you may choose to to do 2114 01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:24,010 whatever to experience whatever whatever 2115 01:17:28,650 --> 01:17:27,070 it is that it's a multiple life then 2116 01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:28,660 everything becomes experience rather 2117 01:17:32,670 --> 01:17:31,030 than then good and bad that that you 2118 01:17:34,140 --> 01:17:32,680 that you can learn from all the bad 2119 01:17:35,550 --> 01:17:34,150 things that happen to you in fact you 2120 01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:35,560 probably learn more from the bad things 2121 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:36,850 that happen to you from the good things 2122 01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:39,370 because the other side you just you just 2123 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:41,380 think oh man I'm just so smart and you 2124 01:17:45,330 --> 01:17:43,690 go into ego when when your ego is 2125 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:45,340 crushed when you get into bad things and 2126 01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:47,050 you suddenly you know you start to learn 2127 01:17:50,460 --> 01:17:48,790 that's going to learn your lessons so in 2128 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:50,470 a reincarnation world it's all lessons 2129 01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:53,010 it's all and beliefs are what determine 2130 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:55,450 what we do and we've got we've gotten 2131 01:17:59,190 --> 01:17:57,130 some pretty bizarre beliefs and I think 2132 01:17:59,899 --> 01:17:59,200 we're at this turning point in history I 2133 01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,909 hope 2134 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:02,400 come in and and they they are trying to 2135 01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:04,650 send these messages across to stop 2136 01:18:10,129 --> 01:18:07,110 before it's too late well grant this is 2137 01:18:14,419 --> 01:18:10,139 this has been fabulous I think that 2138 01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:14,429 ending with the concept of oneness is a 2139 01:18:20,509 --> 01:18:18,030 good place for us to pause and buy pause 2140 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:20,519 I mean I'm hoping that you will come 2141 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:23,010 back on shattered reality perhaps when 2142 01:18:27,589 --> 01:18:25,050 Kate is here too unfortunately as 2143 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:27,599 mentioned before she she's unable today 2144 01:18:34,819 --> 01:18:31,530 and I we I'd really like to speak to you 2145 01:18:38,899 --> 01:18:34,829 more about these things because I share 2146 01:18:41,659 --> 01:18:38,909 much of your viewpoint I am mostly not a 2147 01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:41,669 believer in anything I proceed from the 2148 01:18:48,020 --> 01:18:45,329 point of not disbelief but open open 2149 01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:48,030 belief in other words whatever could be 2150 01:18:57,529 --> 01:18:54,329 is you know so do you want to mention 2151 01:19:00,319 --> 01:18:57,539 your your latest book or maybe the 2152 01:19:01,669 --> 01:19:00,329 Charlie read star book and just well my 2153 01:19:04,129 --> 01:19:01,679 latest book I'll just give you and then 2154 01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:04,139 we'll leave it and my most of my update 2155 01:19:09,379 --> 01:19:07,320 material is on my Whitehouse UFO YouTube 2156 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:09,389 channel I put a lot of updates I do a 2157 01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:11,010 lot of PowerPoint things where I go 2158 01:19:14,629 --> 01:19:13,260 through like the downloader goes to hold 2159 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:14,639 on real experience that I had and stuff 2160 01:19:18,739 --> 01:19:17,010 like that but my latest book is tuned in 2161 01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:18,749 the paranormal world of creativity where 2162 01:19:22,219 --> 01:19:20,249 I got a message for an alien through 2163 01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:22,229 chris blood so that the message was in 2164 01:19:26,569 --> 01:19:24,510 the music and that it appears that 2165 01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:26,579 musicians are somehow being used by the 2166 01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:29,400 others to get messages across I like my 2167 01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:31,110 latest I do a whole thing on paranormal 2168 01:19:37,819 --> 01:19:34,650 and music sounds sounds great grant and 2169 01:19:40,339 --> 01:19:37,829 I you have an open invitation to come 2170 01:19:42,859 --> 01:19:40,349 back and speak with us again I have 2171 01:19:45,739 --> 01:19:42,869 great respect for your tenacity in the 2172 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:45,749 subject like I said since I was called 2173 01:19:51,859 --> 01:19:49,010 the second time to get involved around 2174 01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:51,869 2004 or so you have been one of the 2175 01:19:57,379 --> 01:19:54,300 people I have been following in the in 2176 01:20:01,429 --> 01:19:57,389 the field and I really admire your 2177 01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:01,439 energy your tenacity and I think you're 2178 01:20:07,339 --> 01:20:04,650 a great guy so with that we're gonna say 2179 01:20:10,419 --> 01:20:07,349 goodbye to you from shattered reality 2180 01:20:12,529 --> 01:20:10,429 and I'll speak with you soon 2181 01:20:13,580 --> 01:20:12,539 beautiful thanks for having me on my 2182 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:13,590 pleasure 2183 01:20:19,790 --> 01:20:17,010 so ladies and gentlemen that was the 2184 01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:19,800 very interesting fascinating grant 2185 01:20:27,109 --> 01:20:23,040 Cameron and we do hope to have him back 2186 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:27,119 again and we also hope that by our next 2187 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:28,610 show 2188 01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:32,610 our co-host the marvelous Kate Valentine 2189 01:20:41,209 --> 01:20:36,270 will also be back don't forget to Like 2190 01:20:45,169 --> 01:20:41,219 us on YouTube and on Facebook and to 2191 01:20:48,979 --> 01:20:45,179 check us out on our websites shattered 2192 01:20:54,620 --> 01:20:48,989 reality podcast.com and shattered 2193 01:20:57,500 --> 01:20:54,630 reality podcast at wordpress.com and you 2194 01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:57,510 know give us a comment or write us a 2195 01:21:05,180 --> 01:21:00,840 note if you would like to be on and give 2196 01:21:08,270 --> 01:21:05,190 us your experience on our listeners 2197 01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:08,280 corner at the end of the show we invite 2198 01:21:26,050 --> 01:21:12,960 you to do so so with that I'm going to